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Mary Krieg wrote on Nov 9, 2008 9:03 PM:

" We cry out in wonderment why countries can't respect each other ? Why are you all unable to have respect for each others faith. I am Catholic and have shared friendships with all faiths. My God does not tell me to judge. He will do this. My God tells me to extend an olive branch, to be kind, and use my heart and brain to make sound choices. If you are strong in YOUR faith, you should not be scared of a temple. Be sure that you are setting a good example of YOUR faith. "




Rick Nuttall wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:51 PM:

" Bravo Gila valley, getting a Temple all that live there should rejoice that a great Temple will be built there. The Spirit will be so great and the blessings plentiful. Bless the Lord in his wisdom and President Monson for all he does for the Church. Enjoy it and don't let those who knows nothing about the restored truth sway you in anyway.

Again, congrats on the the new temple. "




Dersh wrote on Oct 19, 2008 5:30 PM:

" Both sides are really wasting their time and emotions on this comment page.
Just live with the fact that there are ignorant people on both sides of the argument, and learn to not let it bother you. "




Happy Convert wrote on Oct 14, 2008 4:52 PM:

" For those of you who are not LDS and are so upset about not having acess to the LDS Temple, I have a question. Have you made it a point to attend a Sunday service at a LDS Chapel in your neighborhood? Not hard to find, the front of the church building reads, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints Visitors Welcome. Any member will accompany you if you like. Attend the 'investigators class'. It is for people that sincerely want to understand what the Mormon's really are all about. Pray for understanding and an open mind. "




Happy Convert wrote on Oct 14, 2008 4:12 PM:

" It is no surprize there is so much opposition to the building of a LDS Temple. Satan will use even the best of people to fight his cause as he does not want Temples built. Everyone of God's children CAN be a part of what goes on in the Temple. All it takes is a choice to learn and then to become worthy members of the faith. There are many ways to learn about the LDS Church with out any strings attached. Enjoy a visit to the Visitors Center on the grounds at the Mesa Temple. Use the internet. "




Where do you draw the line wrote on Aug 6, 2008 1:35 PM:

" Hate starts from the heart and is easy to spew on pages of anonymous comment sites.
So, where do you draw the line? Would you let a bad attitude of a religion escalate to destoying men, women and children with suicide bombs because "they represent Satan".
This IS the same mentality. How far would you let it go?
I am not LDS, but celebrate with them on their temple in the Gila Valley.
Anyone with property should also be happy with higher values.
Lets live and let live and leave the ugliness to the Middle East. "




Brian G. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:42 PM:

" Ferrin: Clearly a cult? According to whom? You need to go to LDS.org for your info, and not those plentiful antimormon sites, stoked with half-truths and "facts" taken out of context. Your preacher won't (can't) give you the truth about it, either. LDS.org is where you will find the truth about the LDS religion, if you don't want to ask a member. Consider the source, folks. Hey, it is your life and your salvation. If you want to do faulty research, that is your business, but you might live to regret it. "




Brenda wrote on Jun 4, 2008 1:15 PM:

" Oh please! It is amazing how people will go out of their way to "bash" a religion. I have never been into an LDS bookstore and found books that condemn other religious beliefs... but walk into any "Christian" bookstore and you find a whole section condemning Mormonism. That right there gives me my opinion of that religion. The only reason that anyone speaks negatively of the LDS church is because they know absolutely NOTHING about the religion. "




Ferrin wrote on May 26, 2008 10:51 PM:

" Please stop calling Mormonism a religion, as it is clearly a cult. Everytime anyone asks questions about anything to do with Mormonism, their members do not answer, but simply say we do not believe their teachings because we do not have an open mind????
Drink the koolaid, again.
The temple secrets are all revealed in books at Borders. Google it. Learn about the secret handshake and the placing of the leaves on private parts. And the gesture to slice the throat if any secrets are revealed to outsiders. "




Seriously wrote on May 26, 2008 10:07 PM:

" Clifton, I believe very strongly in evolution. I think those who do not have been seriously misled. That being said, I believe it to be a gross understatement that some power or higher being did not start the whole sophisticated process. Yes I believe in the big bang and our expanding Universe, but I also believe that there was a higher power that started it all. I just don't think its a guy with a white beard and a robe. That's just silly. As for the temple, why would anyone who is not Morman care if they built it? "




Confused Convert wrote on May 26, 2008 5:28 PM:

" Why respond to hatered on either side of this topic. The adversary is the only one winning here. Everyone has a piece of the truth. When we get past our human stupidity only then will the truth come to light. Become the supposed evolved people we are and quit aruging over the snares of the evil one. "




Clifton wrote on May 26, 2008 2:40 PM:

" To Seriously,

I know you think that science is all knowing. Serously consider the science of Intelligent Design and post a comment.

I know that religion has been very backwards at times. I'm not going to deny that. Just be gratefull that our countries forefathers built the constitution on the beliefs and writings of the bible. Yes I know there was the book Common Sence written that helped inspire the constitution but that book itself had very strong themes found in the Bible.

You stand in a very free country because of religion. "




momof wrote on May 25, 2008 1:17 PM:

" Speaking from experience, your community will be blessed and all hearts will be softened when the Holy Spirit is poured out upon those who chose to be touched and attend the open house and learn about God and His Temples. Temple worship is just one more important fact that helps one understand that the Mormon faith is the FULLNESS restored. I've read all these many posts and there are simple and profound answers to all the questions posed here. I was raised in Southern Arizona, please accept this blessing with open arms. "




wrote on May 25, 2008 7:59 AM:

" Pastor... Here is my thing; you are quick to discredit the Mormon religion and any other religion for that matter whose views are different than yours. I would like to raise the question. How come there are SO many different Christian churches? I mean if I was to listen to your sermon and travel down the road and listen to another it would be different. There is this mass of Christian faiths however you cannot seem to agree on very much, I am speaking from experience. Where is your foundation??? "




Disgusted wrote on May 25, 2008 5:43 AM:

" I continue to be disgusted with the level of hatred and religious misunderstanding that apparently continues unabated in the Gila Valley. It seems that virtually nothing has changed in this Valley for over one hundred years. Let's face it folks: the Gila Valley is an isolated backwater of uneducated people who truly lack the capacity to understand and appreciate the differences, much less the similarities, between and among the world's great religions. Stupidity rules. "




unknown wrote on May 24, 2008 5:56 PM:

" Dont we have enough Mormon churches Here??? "




Oh Goodness wrote on May 24, 2008 10:33 AM:

" Everyone should quit bashing eachother and get along their letting evil take over their lives wheres all the love isnt that what God teaches no matter what religion? "




its in ALMA wrote on May 24, 2008 8:39 AM:

" Those who didn't belong to the right church were lazy, wicked, babbling, idolatrous, proud people who were all a bunch of thieves and murderers. 1:32 "




I believe wrote on May 24, 2008 8:26 AM:

" Evangelists We have all seen them, these slick-haired, silk suited, silver tongued, and Velcro- lipped purveyors of the word. Beautifully choreographed, masterfully planned, they are there for two reasons; to offer you eternal sanctuary and take your money.

Yes, for $49.95, brothers and sisters you to can be saved. And for this gracious donation you will receive this personally autographed, gold leaf, nauga-hide covered book on the word, complete with a faux-fur carrying case with your personal initials etched on the side.
"




Seriously wrote on May 23, 2008 9:41 PM:

" A lot of religion is just there to explain things that man couldn't explain at the time. When they saw Halley's comet they thought it was a harbringer of doom because they didn't understand the basic science behind what they were seeing. That is why the bibel changes, to make new answers to questions the people don't yet understand. "




Seriously wrote on May 23, 2008 9:39 PM:

" Whatever Pastor and all religious zealots. The bibel was written by man. It was written a long time ago by man so I don't really think of it as all knowing and truthful because I believe we have evolved into more intelligent human beings then when it was written. Its like on Star Trek when Kirk beams down to a planet and the unsophisticated aliens think he and his crew are Gods. Same thing with some secluded tribes in South America where they would revere you if you flew in and landed in an airplane. "




a pastor wrote on May 23, 2008 9:14 PM:

" Equal Opportunity...you mentioned that you question my motives. Let me make them clear to you. I do not hate mormons, in fact like and admire them. Nor do I intend to slam them as a people, but I do disagree vehemently with thier doctrine and feel that it is in error. So my motive is simply to shine light as much as possible on the error and inconsistancies of the LDS faith. No deep dark agenda, just a desire to let folks know the Truth. "




a pastor wrote on May 23, 2008 9:07 PM:

" To Equal Opportunity...
Might do you good to read some of Josh McDowells writings, i.e. "Evidence that demands a Verdict" and "More Evidence that Demands a Verdict" you will find that the Holy Bible is the most reliable book in the world. There are more than 36000 manuscripts that back up the New Testament, Archeological evidence that is overwhelming, Historical witnesses, (writings of Josephus, etc) and much more....unfortunately that can not be said for the Book of Mormon. In fact there is not one piece of conclusive proof for the book. A lot of supposition but no proof. "




Scholar wrote on May 23, 2008 8:48 PM:

" To the person posting "me"
Do you have an original Greek text of the bibel? How about an ancient Latin version? There have been hundreds of versions of the bibel and new found scripture, such as the dead sea scrolls is accepted because they were written near the time period of Christ. Any religion must change with the times to handle new opinions and realities. One needs only to look at the changing doctrine of the Catholic Church, one of if not the most populous Christian denomination there is. And if you're a Baptist, please don't take the bibel-literally. "




My Eyes Have Been Opened wrote on May 23, 2008 8:37 PM:

" I used to say I knew many good people who were mormans but had never met a smart mormon. Now, I must revise that to include all religious zealots! Thinking and questioning are requirements for intelligence but both are actively discouraged in religion. Before I moved to Gila Valley, I believed that the human race was gradually evolving beyond the need for the crutch that religion provides.

I was wrong. "




joke wrote on May 23, 2008 5:16 PM:

" If there is such strong opposition to this building, just get a group together to plant sweet resinbushes around it. The flaming USFS will take care of the rest. "




Clifton wrote on May 23, 2008 1:50 PM:

" One more post for today.

To racist food stamp millionaire. I hope your not saying the hispanic population in the valley is unwanted. If you do, you obviously don't know very many Hispanics.

Racist Christians are about the ugliest thing ever. Its like taking the best food ever and then taking a crap on it.

We are supposed to be Christ like remember.Christ accepted everyone and loved everyone.
"




Equal Opportunity wrote on May 23, 2008 1:14 PM:

" Pastor...so where did your faith come from? Where is the "foundation", "proof", and"real evidence" for YOUR faith? HYPOCRISY STRIKES AGAIN! I have faith through my works in the church. Yup, I'm bringing it up again. I have worked for and against my religion. I will take following my faith over not following it ANY DAY of the week! I LOVE the Bible, but how DARE you say that it hsn't changed. If that is true, why are there so many different versions/translations? YOU need to do some R-E-S-E-A-R-C-H. I am seriously questioning the motives behind so many of these comments. "




Clifton wrote on May 23, 2008 1:10 PM:

" To pastor

I disagree with your defenition of blind faith. I think of blind faith doing something without figuring out for yourself if it comes from God or not. Blind faith would be for example believing the Bible to be true because your pastor tells you it is.

Is it not much deeper faith for the congregation to prove the Bible for themselves to be true. Now they know in their hearts that if they accept the teachings in the Bible that God will bless them. Faith is progresive and not a destination. "




The wrote on May 23, 2008 1:06 PM:

" To Clifton,
You contradict yourself saying, "The Book of Mormon doesn't save us any more than the Bible does, or a preacher of the Word. Its when we read Gods truth His Holy Spirit testifies to us of its truth and brings us closer to Christ. When we come unto Christ and accept Him he will come into our hearts and change us and ultimately save us from our sins. " So then answer this What truth would you die for the Bible and its word or the Book of Mormon. I choose teh Bible and its teachings
"




The wrote on May 23, 2008 1:02 PM:

" To Clifton your statement, "So what I'm saying is, if Christ has inspired the Book of Mormon coming forth to give more of His word then we want it. Why reject more of Gods Word." This is the very reason those of us who are not Mormon are so concerned about you spreading false doctrine. Your Book of Mormon was inventedc by man, not the Holy Spirit. You book is not going to lead to salvation but rather puting it up to equal statsu as the Bilbe will surely condemn people to hell "




Clifton wrote on May 23, 2008 12:56 PM:

" To pastor.

I enjoy your comments and see alot of thought and understanding but have to disagree with your logic.

The Bible is true because it is Gods inspired Apostles writings and luckily cannonized by the Catholic church. I need no archelogical evidence to know the Bible to be the word of God. I test Gods word by living it and when I do God testifies with His holy spirit that it is true. There will never be any dicovery more powerfull or convincing than the testimony from God Himself.

"




Get A Life wrote on May 23, 2008 9:48 AM:

" Everyone needs to get a life and stop making religion such a big deal. If you don't agree with LDS beliefs, that's your choice. That is what's great about America. Try focusing your time on something more productive. "




Food Stamp Millionaire wrote on May 23, 2008 9:41 AM:

" Unhappy Citizen,
I'm also tired of filling that I should not live in this county because I'm not a low-income hispanic. Oops, that's probably for another news posting. "




a pastor wrote on May 23, 2008 9:14 AM:

" Blind faith is a scary thing, think of David Koresh, Marvin Applegate, Jim Jones, the FLDS, and so many others that have been led down the path to destruction by blind faith. The Bible tells us that "the just shall live by his faith" but that is not blind faith. In the book of Habbukuk God tells the prophet this, but you will find the prophet had the past examples of Gods work to base it on (read the last chapter of Habbukuk) Unfortunately the mormon faith has no foundation, no proof, no real evidence...just blind faith. "




a pastor wrote on May 23, 2008 9:07 AM:

" historian...

there are reasons why such books as the Gospel of Thomas and others were not accepted in the scriptural canon..they were bogus, or were so full of inconsistencies and errors. The reason that a Christian cannot accept the book of mormon is because there is simply no manuscript, historical, archaeological, genetic, or for that matter any evidence to substantuate it. The Bible tells us to prove all things...and simply claiming a burning in the bosom when you read it is not enough. "




Me wrote on May 23, 2008 8:51 AM:

" Why not the book of mormon? Maybe because Joseph Smith wasn't even around during the time of Jesus, and maybe because the book of mormon is always changing....the Bible is the same today as it was when it was written!! "




The wrote on May 23, 2008 7:38 AM:

" Ask a Mormon Missionary to choose next time they come to your door. Which book would you base your eternal salvation on the teachings in the Bible or the Book of Mormon? If you could only choose one which would it be. Let me see...no holes in the Bible, but numerous questions in the Book of Mormon. People wake up the Holy Bible is time tested and proven true. "




judgement wrote on May 23, 2008 7:29 AM:

" I am not mormon, and along with many others here I have seen a very overwhelming majority of their members in this valley assume because they are members they autimatically will be saved,they believe theirs is the only truthful/complete gospel,well they obviously in gods eyes not be living as they should. I have lived in many other states in which I have had many mormon colleaques etc. Yet this valley seems distant from their teachings. In my opinion these mormons aren't representative of all mormons!Salvation will be more out of reach for those whom have complete knowledge!!! "




Clifton wrote on May 23, 2008 4:19 AM:

" So what I'm saying is, if Christ has inspired the Book of Mormon coming forth to give more of His word then we want it. Why reject more of Gods Word.

In fact we as LDS religion looks foward to God giving us more knoledge of Christ. We will see what the Dead Sea Scrolls will give us and other discoveries being made of ancient writings made by the apostles of Christ. More writings from Paul, Simon, etc... will be welcomed and add to our knowledge of Jesus.

God can always add to his Word. "




Clifton wrote on May 23, 2008 4:01 AM:

" One more post. lol

I see that the question was asked, why do we need the Book of Mormon when all you need is Christ to be saved.

Totally agree with you buddy. The Book of Mormon doesn't save us any more than the Bible does, or a preacher of the Word. Its when we read Gods truth His Holy Spirit testifies to us of its truth and brings us closer to Christ. When we come unto Christ and accept Him he will come into our hearts and change us and ultimately save us from our sins. "




Clifton wrote on May 23, 2008 3:45 AM:

" I know that at least one on you think you have struck a cord with me because of all my postings. Your right. Its not a sour cord, I'm not angry or irritated. I find it fun to share information with you good folks.

I find it strange that some feel that because you cant walk into the Temple and see everything for yourself that we are a cult. Its cool to be curious but why think the worst kind of stuff is going on?

"




Clifton wrote on May 23, 2008 3:27 AM:

" Many memebers of the church believe in evolution. There has been talks given about the orgins of man given by prominent members of the church. A member of the church can believe what they may concerning evolution because it really isnt that big of a deal. What is a big deal is knowing Christ is our Savior and God.

The concerns about the Book of Mormon being our main source of knowledge. Thats contrary to our beliefs. We believe that God is the ultimate authority on truth and is able to clarify when ever He decides to. "




Clifton wrote on May 23, 2008 3:19 AM:

" Yes even our "secret service", lol, is volunteer. Those guys you say are secret service like are usually 55+ retired and out of shape. They volunteer their time to check to see we brought our temple recomends. Nice folks. You should get to know our secret service better.

And yes it takes a year as a memeber in good standing to enter the temple. It shouldnt seem to unusual. Just look in the Old Testament and all the qualifications that the people of Isreal had to go thru to enter the temple. "




Oliver wrote on May 22, 2008 11:41 PM:

" If one truly looks at the Book of Mormon, no offense to any, if you believe, then you believe; But the truth of the matter is that it was interpreted & written by a man who had a fantastic feeling/vision with writings on gold plates. One could have a fantastic feeling/vision while consuming pizza. This record is supposed to be historical. Historical accounts such as US Civil War, WW1 & WW2 have evidence of names, places, artifacts. This book doesn't have any evidence of this in contrast to the Bible. Research the truth for yourself. "




OG wrote on May 22, 2008 11:30 PM:

" Historian, There could be other books. But there would have to be valid evidence and they would all have to jive with the Bible. The Book of Mormon doesn't jive with the Bible that's why it's not as readily accepted and why there's not as many in print as compared to the Bible. The LDS faith has only been in existence since 1823/1830 - not quite 200 years. "




Unhappy Citizen wrote on May 22, 2008 7:24 PM:

" I'm sorry but I am tired of filling that I should not live in this county for the fact that i am not LDS. I understand that everyone has thier own beliefs but its not fair that the LDS are constintly pushing me to listen to what they have to say. I have gone to the mormon church and I have read thier book. I still do not want to be apart of it. I am tired of being hasseld every where I go by someone of the LDS religion. They already have enough They dont need more! "




open your eyes wrote on May 22, 2008 5:33 PM:

" To historian, the book of Mormon was not found or excavated and studied by historians, one man was told by an angel on where to dig up some golden plates, and only that one man ever layed eyes on it, and only he, a shyster/treasure hunter was able to discypher the tablets. Amazingly, these precious tablets are no where to be found after only being dug up 200 years ago. A thin piece of paper known as the Declaration of Independence still exsists from that time, but no golden tablets, why? Because they never exsisted!! J.Smith was a liar. "




To you wrote on May 22, 2008 5:12 PM:

" I have just read all of these blogs and find them interesting in those of you trying to convince the Mormons they are wrong, the Mormons trying to tell of their religion, the cultist theory people and all the rest. I think if all of you that are saying such mean ugly things about the Mormons, if I knew what religion you belonged to I could tell you some very interesting facts about the early days of your church and leaders. Not many of us don't have a bank robber in our background. It is fun reading. "




historian wrote on May 22, 2008 4:37 PM:

" In reading of ancient times and writtings, are some of you aware that Judas, Thomas, Mary Magdalena and others of Jesus Christ friends wrote "books" but they were not included in the Holy Bible becuase they did not exactly fit the teachings of the Catholic church at the time. What about the Dead Sea Scrolls and other writings such as the golden plates found in recent times in Bulgaria. There could be many "books" yet to be found around the world written by people of the time of Jesus. So why not the Book of Mormon. Blessings. "




The wrote on May 22, 2008 2:53 PM:

" To Equal Opportunity
What scares me is the fact that your religion places the Book of Mormon and its teachings on equal grounds to leading to salavation to that of the Holy Bible. If you need another testament to the Bible you are mistaken and I will pray for you that your eyes may be opened to the truth. Answer this If you and others of your religion believe in the Bible, its teaching and that salvation can only come from accepatance of Jesus into your hearts then why do you need the book of Mormon?
"




Not Impressed wrote on May 22, 2008 2:45 PM:

" If it weren't for the religions of man, no matter how they began, there would be no "swear (cuss) words". Think about it . . . what would you say after you hit your thumb instead of the nail. There wouldn't be anything to be ashamed of would there. "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, Tithing, all man made because of the greedy not any "other intelligence" but the greatest con job ever. Bless you all. : > "




The wrote on May 22, 2008 2:02 PM:

" to Clifton
Well I see this has struck a nerve with you. I wouldn't have problem with it, "the temple" being built,except that you continue to use the Book of Mormon which was written by man throguth an angel and your religion holds it on an equal plane for salvation just as the Bible which was written by man through the Holy Sprit. Drop the Book of Mormon and I will be glad to worship at your temple. "




disgusted wrote on May 22, 2008 12:19 PM:

" All you Mormons act so high and mighty, like your so much better than anyone that isn't LDS. Have to join your club in order to know all your secret ceremonies, otherwise your just not good enough to enter into your temple. Can't just be babtised into the Mormon faith, no thats not good enough either, have to be a member for a year before your worthy. And aren't we grateful that non LDS will be allowed to walk around your temple, thanks, but no thanks... "




Mike wrote on May 22, 2008 11:26 AM:

" To Clifton, So in order to see your kids get married, you must first join the LDS and prove to them you are a faithful member for 1 year before you are then allowed to join in on these temple ceremonies. Im so glad Christ didnt say, except me into your heart, but wait one year so I know your sincere, and then you may enter into heaven. Every time Mormons try to explain their religion it just verifys for the rest of us why we think of LDS as a cult. "




Guardian Angel wrote on May 22, 2008 10:09 AM:

" Clifton, are the security guards strictly volunteers as well? Don't tell me there are no security guards, coming out looking like their the Secret Service. Do you believe in evolution? To all of you non believers in evolution, thier called fossils! I'm a christian myself but you have to believe in science! "




Clifton wrote on May 21, 2008 10:45 PM:

" By the way we dont get paid for working in the temple. All of the church is a volunteer basis. No one gets paid. The reason it would bolster the economy is by increasing land value and increasing the attractiveness of the valley.

Alot of you are reading more into the temple coming to the valley than is reality. The temple will serve as an attractive place to walk around and visit for non LDS people. For the LDS its a place we can go in and worship Christ.

"




Clifton wrote on May 21, 2008 10:32 PM:

" The reason we dont talk about what goes on in the temple is because we hold the temple experience close to our hearts.

It is not secret because it is sensational. It is secret to remain sacred. How would you like it if everybody knew you picked your nose before you prayed so you could breathe easier and concentrate on your prayer better.

People might make fun of your sacred communication with God. It would make you feel like your sacred experiences were treated as a joke. Not very fun huh.



"




Clifton wrote on May 21, 2008 10:05 PM:

" Sure, I'll answer your question "why are parents not allowed to be at their childrens wedding".

You are asking the wrong question. My parents and my wifes parents were both at our temple wedding.

I think the question you are trying to ask is why can't non LDS parents attend there LDS child's marriage in the temple.

To enter the Temple you must be baptised into the LDS church, be a member in good standing for a year. You can then enter the temple and be apart of every aspect of the temple.

"




cliff wrote on May 21, 2008 4:27 PM:

" You still have not answered the question as to why LDS are not allowed to see their children get married. Why won't just one of you answer this question? You can go to a reception afterward, but not to the actual marriage ceremony. Again I ask, is it the threat of excommunication that keeps every mormon from telling the truth about what actually goes on in the temple? Enlighten us please. "




REALLY wrote on May 21, 2008 3:54 PM:

" I dont care who goes to what church, andwho believes in what, but I cant understand why this is a big deal? No one is forcing you to attend this temple. If you dont like it, dont go, end of story "




Equal Opportunity wrote on May 21, 2008 3:49 PM:

" To "the"...please explain to me what you are referring to as "going on inside on Sunday" that scares you. What part of hymn singing, prayer, partaking of the sacrament (like partaking of communion), having members of the congregation speak to you, with the occasional baby blessing/confirmation/sustaining of church leaders/callings scares you? Have you been to an LDS church service? Have you been to the temple. Those who are so concerned should most DEFINITELY attend the temple open house. Walk through it, there are no beds, no secret places, nothing crazy/scary. It is a beautiful place. Period. "




Guardian Angel wrote on May 21, 2008 3:38 PM:

" Come on now, how does the temple benefit everyone in the valley besides their own? How many people do you know that are non-mormons get to go into the temple, let alone work there? I think I read somewhere in this crazy religious non-sense that it will help the economy in the Gila Valley. Bull, it only helps their own just like most jobs around there! Besides praying and letting God tell you what's right for you look at the facts within your religion, you then will find the answer. I did when I lived in Salt Lake City and-he-got-me-the-hell-out-of-there! "




Hilda wrote on May 21, 2008 3:31 PM:

" To those of you who are questioning my beliefs. I am happy and my personal knowledge of God, his son Jesus Christ and the holy Ghost, makes me even more happy and I am not going to try and change notlds or me or anyone else for that matter. And yes I have heard of the blessed trinity and I may not agree with the way you feel about God the father and his son but I don't care if you want to think of them as one personage or 3. Isay just don't worry about us. "




bwana wrote on May 21, 2008 2:51 PM:

" Wow!
You religious people are extremely delusional!
Excuse me while I pray...
"Oh God, protect me from your followers! Amen." "




Clifton wrote on May 21, 2008 2:48 PM:

" I like "equal opportunity's" comments. Its nice to have an objective strait foward hitter in the mix. Way to honest with yourself and in the way you communicate.

It bothers me that others see my religion as dangerous, when if they were to simply look at what is taught in our families and churches would see a very similiar reflection of other Religious peoples.

To respond to a missinformed, the temple is not open on Sunday. We do all are crazy worship in there on the other 6 days of the week. mowahhahaha. "




Me wrote on May 21, 2008 1:32 PM:

" To Hilda,

FYI, Jesus Christ, God, and the Holy Spirit are one. Haven't you heard of the Blessed Trinity? "




Equal Opportunity wrote on May 21, 2008 1:18 PM:

" To OG, I would strongly encourage you to check out other religions' misdeeds and dealings as well. I'd venture to say that "mainstream" churches persecuted and conducted themselves and their churches inappropriately(ESPECIALLY towards African Americans). This is not exclusively a "Mormon" thing, as you would claim. Quite frankly, other churches have been around longer and doing it longer. The views you exxpress are extremely one sided and close minded. Don't the Catholics have the Pope as "one man whose word is law" in their religion. I have one word for you...HYPOCRISY! Please tell me (specifically) how Mormonism is dangerous. "




The wrote on May 21, 2008 12:26 PM:

" As far as the dialogue goes I can see a real passion for both sides. Building a temple is good business. It creates jobs. It is pretty to look at. It is a place for the community to hold functions, etc. The truth is, however, that what goes on inside on Sunday, scares me as far as eternal savation goes. As we have seen by the postings that there are too many holes in this religion(cult) that non-LDS Christians care about their valley brethern taht they don't want them to go to hell. "




Hilda wrote on May 21, 2008 10:22 AM:

" To my friend notlds...You know some us that are not LDS and many of the LDS are worrying about your eternal salvation. I am very satisfied with my faith and beliefs as I am sure those of the LDS faith are. Don't pray or worry about me just worry about yourself, because I am on a first name basis with Jesus Christ and his father God, I speak with them both every day. And some days when they are not to busy they talk to me, they lead in the path of truth. May God bless. "




to Amazed wrote on May 21, 2008 10:16 AM:

" Some people with very good thoughts and comments can not type as well as others that type, spell correctly, use grammer correct but without a good or intelligent thought, or important thing to say. Some of our best leaders have not been able to spell or even read in some cases but have very intelligent things to say. So don't judge others by their use of the computer. "




Choices wrote on May 21, 2008 9:51 AM:

" I must state my opinion. Everything in life is a choice. We choose our religion, friends, jobs and yes even feelings. To say that a Mormon has made you feel bad is your choice to feel bad. No one can make you feel anything. It is your choice to feel bad. It is also everyone's choice to hate on Mormon's and the Temple. Make a choice today, CHOOSE not to feel bad. It is your choice. If you are not a Mormon, than what do you care if there is a Temple. "




Aimee Staten wrote on May 21, 2008 9:04 AM:

" The poster who stated the "editors must not edit" the posts is correct. Our policy is to allow the posts to run as they are or delete them if they have objectionable content. We do not manipulate or edit the posts in any way, so posters are on their own with spelling, punctuation, etc... "




notlds wrote on May 21, 2008 5:35 AM:

" Hilda,
How can showing concern for someone's eternal state of being be misunderstood as hatred? "




Amazed wrote on May 21, 2008 1:24 AM:

" This is amazing. There are so many emotionally charged comments by folks wanting to explain their feelings, thoughts, and opinions.

However, some who have made comments need to learn punctuation, grammar, and how to use "spell check" or a dictionary. I get a kick out of misspellings and poor grammar because some errors are really funny. Others are just dumb. Then a few are pathetic. If you are name calling or labeling at least spell it correctly unless your intent is to offend in every way possible. Evidently the editors don't edit.
"




OG wrote on May 20, 2008 6:53 PM:

" one reason/criteria for the identification of "cult" isn't for mere name calling. It's because there is one man in the LDS faith who's word is Law. It's the Living Prophet. Down thru the years it's been current/past Presidents who are able to change their doctrines such as polygamy of which Joseph Smith had 19 wives; the doctrine on accepting Blacks and other races, etc. When a Christian lives by the guidelines of the Bible, these truths are immutable - they don't change. "




Hilda wrote on May 20, 2008 6:27 PM:

" To notlds: I am not LDS either but I personally think that your attitude about the LDS people is going to lead you straight to hell, also. You are not a loving Christian person in my eyes but a follower of some preacher that is such a poor leader in the gospel faith that he had/has to attack other religions to rouse his congregation. And right here Mormons are in the majority to let's blame them for all the wrongs of Graham County and don't forget to attack their beliefs and forget the good they do. "




notlds wrote on May 20, 2008 4:58 PM:

" Pastor, I encourage you to read Understanding Baptism by John MacArthur at www.gty.org. Lengthy but good! "




notlds wrote on May 20, 2008 4:02 PM:

" Hilda and all the other lds who feel as though they are being persecuted,
I really don't think that the majority of these comments have been out of hatred. Those who call mormonism a cult (myself included), do not hate mormons. We speak up because your religion is leading you straight to hell and it weighs heavily on our hearts. One can be sincere in their beliefs and yet be sincerely wrong. I encourage you to do some serious research about your church history and teachings compared with what the Bible teaches. Hopefully you'll realize how dangerous mormonism is. "




Hilda wrote on May 20, 2008 10:46 AM:

" Why are all of you religious people so ready to find fault with the Mormon Church, calling it a cult and etc. If those that belong to the Mormon-LDS church are happy with the teachings why not leave them alone. If those of you doing so much talking are church going people I and others might wonder why you like believe and follow the teachings of your church. All churches have a strange belief in the eyes of others. Catholics pray to their saints through idols, one local church believe women must wear hats and so. "




Levi wrote on May 20, 2008 10:39 AM:

" The pastor wrote that there are 7700 Mormons in this valley and 6900 Catholics and a number of other faiths. If you people are so unhappy with the politics and way the Mormons run the governments then why don't the Catholics , Methodists, Church of Christ, Baptists and all others join together and vote someone into one of the governmental postions, this is the year to do it. "




Wow wrote on May 20, 2008 9:05 AM:

" We claim the priviledge of worshipping God according to the dictates of our own conscience and allow all men the same priviledge. Let them worship how, where or what they may.

"




the wrote on May 20, 2008 6:48 AM:

" This is to what
If yopu believe that the Mormon church is perfect, then I have some swamp land in Clifton to sell you. That is the mentallity of a cult. Saying it is perfect an haveing believers follow lock step withits teachings. Once again you supporters of thtemple are proving the point the church is a cult "




yr old lds girl wrote on May 20, 2008 1:26 AM:

" May I just say I think that you are all immature for crying cause we are getting a temple why can't you just leave us be and be christ like. You don't see us whining and crying and saying bad stuff about your religion. Doesn't that say something? Maybe we are just more christ like! I'm just sick of all this hatred towards our religion seriously grow up!! "




Clifton wrote on May 19, 2008 5:45 PM:

" Couple more thoughts. I went to Catechism as a kid and have gone to many diffrent churches such as Jehova Witness, Seventh Day Adventist, Potters House, Protestant, Methodist, and Baptist churches.

I love these churches and how they try to bring all of Gods children to Christ.

The LDS temple is such a wonderfull place. It has helped me be closer to Christ. Prayer has been the only thing that has been more sacred to me. I love the people of this valley and hope that misunderstandings and hate do not poisen our hearts. "




Clifton wrote on May 19, 2008 5:12 PM:

" Wow...such emotion over the Temple coming to the valley. I've actually been thru the temple and know personaly that every done in there brings a person closer to Christ Jesus. Feeling his love, feeling his forgiveness. I know thru my experiences in the temple that Gods grace is sufficient even for me. This is not something I found exclusevily thru the temple but confirmed there many times as well as in my own home reading of the Bible. Yes we read and love the bible. We love it and try our best to live by it. "




Truth be told wrote on May 19, 2008 2:41 PM:

" I just can't agree with a temple being built. The city council acts like they don't want the town to grow, but, I'm sure they'll accomodate if "their" temple is built... I've had lot's of mormon friends, and they can't even drink soda's with caffeine (but, they do anyways). They believe each one of them are going to become a god on their own planet (you can't put yourself on the same level as god). Look what happened with Satan & 1/3 of the angels. The Mormon church is only 200 years old. What were they before that? "




what wrote on May 19, 2008 2:20 PM:

" This is getting out of hand. The mormon church is PERFECT the PEOPLE are not! If we were perfect we wouldn't be here! Why all the hatred and name calling? Let the mormons be and worship how they may, and all of you worship how you may. Just leave it alone. It isn't going to hurt anyone by having a temple. If you want to be apart of it, then call the missionarys and join. It isn't hard and it's not a cult. "




The wrote on May 19, 2008 1:22 PM:

" With all the good comments and many points of view, I can only say as I have said before "a cult". There are to many holes in the Mormon religion and contradictions even in their own teachings that, building a temple which was the premise in the article, will only solidfy the cults standing in the community and belief that it is acceptable. "




a pastor wrote on May 19, 2008 10:47 AM:

" Back to the idea that this is a Mormon valley. Thatcher, Pima, and I belive Central were settled by Mormons....Safford was settled by 2 non mormons, (Tuttle and Bailey, I think) and was considered a gentile town (although the south of Safford or Layton, was predominately Mormon) Solomon by a Jew, Ft Thomas as an army camp and San Jose and Sanchez by Hispanics...some Catholic, and some Seventh Day. Really quite the diverse history and population. "




a pastor wrote on May 19, 2008 10:37 AM:

" to amazed resident

I am not sure whether your comments are directed at me or not...but my comments are not intended to be intolerant. I believe that honest folk should be willing to engage in civilized discourse and debate without falling to the level of name calling. I believe that the Mormons have every right to practice what they believe, and I have every right to question those beliefs.
Please understand that I think highly of LDS folk and appreciate their contributions to this valley. I however disagree with their doctrine and will state my position accordingly. "




Amazed Resident wrote on May 19, 2008 10:08 AM:

" Some of you have all the religious tolerance of the KKK, Nazis and Al Qaeda. Wasn't this country founded on priniciples of religious freedom. Didn't some settlers come to this land on a boat called the Mayflower in order to escape religious persecution. Some of you sound like you're on a Jihad. How are your remarks any different from the fighting that's been going on in the Middle East for centuries. I know, Instead of the Gaza Strip we can have the Gila Strip. We'll divide into sides and our kids can carry AK-47's "




a pastor wrote on May 19, 2008 9:57 AM:

" A couple of statements...

1.Mormon Apostle James Talmage noted that, "The Nephites suffered extinction about 400 A.D., but the Lamanites lived on in their degraded course, and are today extant upon the land as the American Indians" (Jesus the Christ, 23rd ed., p.49).

And...

2. The physical type of the American Indian is basically Mongoloid, being most closely related to that of the peoples of eastern, central, and northeastern Asia.

From a Smithsonian statement...


Hhhmmm... "




a pastor wrote on May 19, 2008 9:45 AM:

" Another question...
On page 601 of The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, the twelfth Mormon prophet stated, "About twenty-five centuries ago, a hardy group left the comforts of a great city, crossed a desert, braved an ocean, and came to the shores of this, their promised land. There were two large families, those of Lehi and Ishmael, who in not many centuries numbered hundreds of millions of people on these two American continents"

If there were hundreds of millions on the American continents...where are the genetic links to the Hebrews? The answer...there isn't any. "




a pastor wrote on May 19, 2008 9:38 AM:

" The 10th LDS President, Joseph Fielding Smith made this comment....
It was well understood by the early elders of the Church that the mark which was placed on Cain and which his posterity inherited was the black skin. The Book of Moses informs us that Cain and his descendants were black" (The Way to Perfection, p.107).

Was he lying or sadly mistaken? "




a pastor wrote on May 19, 2008 9:33 AM:

" Got a question...

Brigham Young made this statement...
In a sermon given on March 8, 1863, Young stated, "Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so" (Journal of Discourses, 10:110).

Did Young lie here or was he just severely mistaken? "




A pastor wrote on May 19, 2008 9:07 AM:

" Here is a question for my LDS friends and nieghbors. A good friend of mine years ago(LDS) told me that basically the doctrine of multiple marraiges will be reinstituted in the celestial kingdom. My question is...if this doctrine will be resurected, will others be reinstituted also. For instance, the doctrine of Balck exclusion...if I were an African American Mormon I would be worried that when I got to Heaven that they would tell me "Oops forgot to tell you, this place is segregated now"
Not being mean just wondering. "




a pastor wrote on May 19, 2008 9:01 AM:

" continued from previous post...

4. Some have refered to this as a "Mormon" valley...I recieved access to a study several years ago that stated that there was about 7700 LDS members in the valley, 6900 Catholic, and the rest were a dukes mixture of faiths. A prominent LDS man once told me that when I moved into this valley, that the LDS population was about 2/3 of the area, but at that time, (mid 90's) it had declined to 1/3. Mainly because of population growth. This valley is becoming very diverse and is better for it. "




a pastor wrote on May 19, 2008 8:56 AM:

" Several comments on this discussion...
1. I am not LDS but accept that the mormons have a right to build a temple whereever they like. Mormon money spends as well as anybody elses and it will benefit the economy.
2. Someone said that baptism does not save us...Peter must have been mistaken then in 1 Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us"
3. Hate has no place in the Gila Valley, but niether does pride and arrogance...Proud Mormon seethed with both in his comments.
to be continued.... "




Truth be told ... wrote on May 18, 2008 10:09 PM:

" In the beginning, Lucifer, was a angel in heaven with God. Then, when he thought that he had as much power as God, and convinced 1/3 of the other angels; God, cast Lucifer, and the 1/3 of angels to hell, and they can never return to heaven. Therefore, there are good angels and bad angels. So, if angel, Marroni, appeared to Joseph Smith, and brought him the "Golden Plates", then, let angel Marroni, be accursed. Oh, and why is there a statue of angel Marroni, sitting on top of the Temple in Utah, if statue's are so wrong? "




Truth be told wrote on May 18, 2008 9:20 PM:

" GALATIANS 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach (to you) a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed! 1:9 As we have said before, and now I say again, if anyone preaches to you a gospel other than the one that you received, let that one be accursed! So, according to this, there is no such book, as "The Book Of Mormon". It doesn't matter what Joseph Smith had to say. "NOTHING" over rides the bible. If so, then let that one be accursed!!! "




ok wrote on May 18, 2008 1:51 PM:

" wow "




what a waist of time wrote on May 18, 2008 8:28 AM:

" Close this thread already, it will be decided on the day of his coming... This is a grade school argument, grow up. "




Simon the Zealot wrote on May 17, 2008 4:31 PM:

" For the record, LDS is not the only false off-shoot of Christianity, there are many others.

LDS put their hope and trust in a 14 year old treasure hunter, future polgymist and racist. Check your past LDS--Joe was a polgymist, he was a racist by forbidding blacks to be part of the priesthood. Additionally, the valley is over run with Mormons, yet the moral fabric of the city and everything else is in the dumps. "




me wrote on May 16, 2008 5:41 AM:

" For anyone who wants to know the main differences between Mormonism and Traditional Christianity, check out contenderministries.org

And for the record, sharing doctrinal beliefs is not a bad thing. Every religion sends forth people to convert others. "




LDS convert wrote on May 15, 2008 7:11 PM:

" Before conversion I attended many churches. With each church my confusion grew. I believed in Christ but didnt know him or understand the teachings of these churches. It all became so clear and easy to understand when I learned the LDS teachings. It changed my life for the better. I now know deep in my heart that Christ is my Savior and thru my repentance and keeping the commandments and dedicating my life to serving him, I will live with him again. What are "works" but serving God? don't all true christians want to serve God? "




LDS Member wrote on May 15, 2008 3:48 PM:

" Hi all. I just want to reiterate a little bit of my last comment. I don't want any of these comments to overshadow the hundreds, thousands, or millions of things that we could find that we have in common as people and as Christians. I guess we'll all just have to see who is right when we get there(heaven). We could split hairs and debate doctrine day and night and it wouldn't get anyone anywhere. We all believe in Christ, being good people, and getting to heaven, right? Above everything, Christ believed in love/charity. Me too. Let's talk about that. "




appalled at the immaturity wrote on May 15, 2008 2:35 PM:

" All I can say to ALL of you that have posted on here: GROW UP!!!! You are acting like a bunch of uneducated idiots! Educate yourself before you decide to post your nonsense! "




The wrote on May 15, 2008 2:23 PM:

" To LDS Member
True Christ was baptised, but believing that keeping the Commandments which are Old Testament law and were based on the notion of "works" that will get you to heaven if you were Jewish,as part of his devine intervention for us, but saying that keeping the Commandments "works" will get you to heaven is not exactly correct. Being born again one would natuarlly keep the Commandments, but it is the persons rebirth not the works that are part of the plan for salvation. They should never be confused nor one be a substitute for the other "




Me wrote on May 15, 2008 2:17 PM:

" to Former Resident:
John 3:16 says that "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him shall not parish but have everlasting life." That means that by accepting Jesus as your personal savior is the only way you will get to Heaven. You can be the nicest person in the world and still go to hell. The only way to Heaven is through salvation, not through works. "




LDS Member wrote on May 15, 2008 1:31 PM:

" Valley Resident...I am so glad that you believe so strongly in the Lord Jesus Christ and what he did for all of us. We share that belief. We all need Jesus in this crazy world, don't we? For the record, doctrinal differences occur between all religions, not just mine and yours. I know that believing in Christ makes me a better person. I'm sure you feel the same. Let's celebrate the similarities and respect each other's differences! We are both Christian and both good people defending what we believe to be the truth. It's a beautiful thing! :) "




LDS Member wrote on May 15, 2008 12:48 PM:

" To "the"...it's so hard to try and explain complete doctrinal views and differences. It is very well known that LDS doctrine differs in the traditional viewpoint of being saved by grace. 100 word commentary is not sufficient to present any kind of appropriate rebuttal or explanation of this. However, even Christ Himself took upon the ordinance of baptism. That is in the Bible. Why did He do that? Obedience to a commandment. Without His atonement, we would have no way to return to our Heavenly Father, absolutely 100% true, but we still have to do our part in keeping commandments. "




The wrote on May 15, 2008 11:20 AM:

" Sorry Valley Resident my comment was to LDS membe. My apoligies "




The wrote on May 15, 2008 11:19 AM:

" To Valley Resideent.
So using your anology that "We do believe that there are saving ordinances that an individual needs to receive to achieve exaltation.(Like baptism) We also believe in Christ's universal and everlasting atonement." That statement is contradictory. If you believe that you are saved by the blood and grace of Jesus and that the Bible is the true word of God how can you also belive that your works will get you to heaven? Only by the saving grace and blood of Jesus can you see heaven. No works will do... Once again a cult. "




Former Resident wrote on May 15, 2008 9:23 AM:

" To: Valley Resident
The notion that you don't have to do anything to obtain salvation except accept Jesus as your savior is one of satan's greatest and most common tools. Matt.7:21"Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." "




LDS Member wrote on May 14, 2008 12:27 PM:

" Valley Resident, I respect your doctrinal views and I do understand why you believe them. However, Mormon Doctrine is different. We do believe that there are saving ordinances that an individual needs to receive to achieve exaltation.(Like baptism) We also believe in Christ's universal and everlasting atonement. I don't mean to oversimplify my religion, but in the effort to try and make a comparison, I ask how one receives a high school diploma or a Bachelor's degree. You met the requirements, you did things to earn that right to have that diploma/title/rights/responsibilities. To me,it's a natural progression in lifeor religion "




LDS Member wrote on May 14, 2008 12:18 PM:

" Cliff, I understand there is frustration of not knowing what happens in the temple. The best way I can explain why we don't talk about it is because it is sacred. It is not secret, it is sacred, special. In the temple covenants are made, just like covenants are made in other religions. They are sacred and important to those who make them. I am not trying to be secretive, or rude, but there are things that you don't share with everyone. That is what this is. It is something special that we don't share with everyone. "




JC wrote on May 14, 2008 11:09 AM:

" Just some reading material for those who are wanting to know the difference between cults and christianity read "Cult Watch" and it tells you why certain religions are considered cults. "




Michael Evans wrote on May 14, 2008 10:01 AM:

" Temples increase property values, encourage upgrades of surrounding areas and bring in tourism and dollars. Mormons take very good care of their buildings and grounds. These are good enough reasons, beyond the religious ones for a community to encourage Mormons to build. How silly to make a fuss against them. "




Just a simple LDS Girl wrote on May 13, 2008 10:23 PM:

" I havent always been the best mormon and Ive had issues with the church, but I came to realize that my issues werent with the religion itself, they were with the people in the church. There are some mormons who arent good people. Some of them are judgemental and close minded and cruel, but they are not accurate reflections of the LDS church. Those members are not following the doctrine that we have been taught, which is to strive to be Christ-like. Its sad that most anti mormon views are because of those people. "




The Dude wrote on May 13, 2008 7:42 PM:

" Valley Resident, you have obviously never been to a LDS sacrament meeting where they partake in eating bread for Jesus' body and water for his blood. It is like communion in your church. I am neither but at least I know real facts and don't spew religious ferver over something as stupid as protesting a nice looking building. "




cliff wrote on May 13, 2008 5:55 PM:

" To Lds member,
What kind of requirements do your own mormon family members need? And why cant they attend your marriage ceremony, they're mormons same as you and yet they are not even allowed to see their own sons and daughters get married. As many times as these questions have been asked by us gentiles, not one of the LDS members will tell us anything, are you afraid of excommunication if the truth is told? And yes, I have checked out mormon.org, it doesn't tell you anything. Its no wonder that people think of mormonism as a cult. "




valley resident wrote on May 13, 2008 5:01 PM:

" Actually, in my church everything is between the individual and the Lord. For example, we believe that only true believers should take communion, but nobody asks any questions of you before allowing you to do so. Only God knows your heart, not the pastor, bishop, priest, etc.... Other than that, there are no sacred (or secret)ceremonies because there is no need for them. Salvation is not earned, it is freely given to those who repent and believe in the saving power of the blood of Christ. "




LDS Member wrote on May 13, 2008 2:35 PM:

" The sealing (marriage) ceremony in the temple is the highest ordinance in our church. To participate in that or any ordinance in the temple, there are requirements. This is no different from other religions. You can't just walk into a synagogue, mosque, cathedrals, church, whatever and ask to participate in their most special ceremonies without meeting some type of requirement first. If everyone was allowed to participate in the most sacred part of a religion (any religion), the sacred part wouldn't be so sacred anymore. It's not that unusal, really! :) "




The wrote on May 13, 2008 12:46 PM:

" From the article
It is my personal priority to make sure members of the church have access to the blessings of the temple, Monson said. It is here where members learn of their divine origin and destiny; where they are strengthened spiritually as individuals and as families. Temples are sanctuaries from the storms of life.
If a temple is where mormons learn their devine origins and destiny, where does the Bible and its teachings fit into their lives? Sound like the building holds the secret. Like I said a cult "




priest wrote on May 13, 2008 11:18 AM:

" If you have questions about the LDS Church maybe you should attend services on Sunday. You will be welcome and there will probably be helpful people around to help satisfy any curiosity you might have. "




The wrote on May 13, 2008 10:05 AM:

" A cult yes. Think about it. Why are family members who are not mormon not allowed into a wedding ceramony in a temple? Answer that so we all know the truth. What is there to hide? A non cult religion would allow the family to partake. Baptism by proxy? Why do we need baptism? It is in the Bible Can't wash a way sins if you are baptising someone who is already dead. "




Proud Gila Valley Girl wrote on May 13, 2008 9:52 AM:

" The new temple will brighten the dull look of Safford. I do not live in the Gila Valley now, but when I visit, it's so nice to see the green fields, livestock and nicely manicured homes. It will brighten my trips home to see such a clean and beautiful building that will adorn the city. Cleanliness is next to Godliness. New people are moving in and we want our city to portray a sharp look. "




Robert wrote on May 12, 2008 4:56 PM:

" Mormonism a cult??? Get real! "The" you need to learn what a cult actually is. If we are a cult then so it all Christianity. What are you complaining about (the temple, it benefits everyone. Gila Valley is going to grow in population and economically "




valley resident wrote on May 12, 2008 4:38 PM:

" to know before you post

Could you give Bible references to back up your spirit children comment??? "




What happened to the Gila Valley wrote on May 12, 2008 3:24 PM:

" I don't understand why there is all this hatred and fighting, because it is not going to stop it from being built. The Temple will be built whether we like it or not. Let them have their building. If anyone wants to build a new building for their religion go for it. No one is going to stop you. Buy the land and do it. I agree that we all need to watch how we treat others, not just mormons. Everyone will get to go in and see the temple when it is finished. Enjoy it! "




Know before you post wrote on May 12, 2008 11:32 AM:

" You need to know what you're talking about before you post. If you were familiar with the BIBLE you would see that we are all spirit children, including Jesus and Lucifer, hence....spirit brothers and sisters. "




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The wrote on May 12, 2008 6:59 AM:

" Abraham and David polygamists? Get real Old testament law. We are under a new covenant by the blood of Jesus, New testament. Mormonism is a cult. "




Ella wrote on May 11, 2008 11:44 PM:

" Mormons believe that God was once a man, that humans can become a God, and that Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer????????????? "




lost in thatcher wrote on May 11, 2008 12:52 PM:

" To proud LDS member 5/1, I am neither catholic nor LDS but don't think Proud LDS has any right to claim "all the catholic priests are child molestors and gays". What ignorance does that show of the "good proud mormon". Personally any positive growth for the area for any religion will be a welcome blessing in view of the negative growth this valley has been subjected to in recent years. And wow what negativity has been displayed. Instead of complaining about the mormons building a temple lets encourage all the religions bring religous growth to this community. "




Valley Resident wrote on May 11, 2008 9:34 AM:

" As a non-mormon, I have certainly experienced feeling secluded and left out due to my resolve not to convert (by both family and the community in general). Having lived most of my life in a large, diverse city, I can tell you that this little area has very different ideas about religion and social norms. Perhaps this would be true of any small town, but it is easy to associate the isolation and hurt feelings to mormon majority. Maybe the lds should take a look at how they treat non-members. It may help explain the contention in these postings. "




Here we go again... wrote on May 10, 2008 4:37 PM:

" My message was directed toward "Robert" and not to "Please respond" my apologies. To Robert about the economy....I totally agree. "




laughing wrote on May 10, 2008 12:18 PM:

" i grew up in this valley and moved away in my early 20s to a large northwest city. i returned 2 years ago some 15 years later. you people in this town are so pathetic. as the world moves on nothing here changes. its like being stuck in the dark ages. "




Here we go again... wrote on May 10, 2008 11:48 AM:

" In response to "please respond" I am not a mormon but I agree
CHA-CHING!!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ "




Youre all Delusional wrote on May 10, 2008 7:00 AM:

" Its amazing how ignorant you all are. Why believe in any religion? Accept the fact that you are all weak and unintelligent. You are all afraid to question the ridiculous teachings of Jesus and the even more ridiculous teachings of the Mormon church. Stop being sheep and follow your own path. "




RPH wrote on May 9, 2008 6:52 PM:

" Oh my! Who would have thought that something as nice as helping those who want to worship be a bit easier becomea bad thing? Someone mentioned how everyone would feel if a synagogue was built. That's great! This country is wonderful because of its base of religious freedom. How did that get lost. I grew up in Thatcher and now live in Wisconsin. When did there become such a division of people? My best friend is Lutheran and we enjoy our differences just as EVERYONE should. "




please respond wrote on May 9, 2008 4:53 PM:

" I do not live in the "almighty" gila valley. But for some morbid reason that I can't explain, I enjoy reading your springerish bantor. Who do you folks hate more, people in neighboring towns or those of another faith? Is there no common ground among you? Are the hard feelings we see here, harbored by a majority or are the open minded people misrepresented? Go ahead ridicule and correct my spelling. "




Robert wrote on May 9, 2008 2:20 PM:

" I think of having the Temple will be great for the economy and a lot of great things are already happening with the hotels and such being built. My only complaint, is all you anti-mormons are always complaining and complaining about polygamy. Think about Abraham and David, they were polygamists because God allowed it. Anti-Mormons need to stop being selfish and learn to be Christians! And yes Mormons are Christians "




The wrote on May 9, 2008 9:34 AM:

" Why do you think the missionaries travel in pairs? Safety in numbers? No it is because if questioned with true doctrine of the Bible, they can say well we gotta go. If you ask a Mormon missionary to choose, the Bible or the Book of Mormon on which to choose their eternal soul upon, you may be surprised. Revelations talks about not adding to or subtracting to the word of God, then how can the "Other testamnetof Jesus Christ" not be in conflict with the Holy Bible. My money is on the Bible, not the Book of Mormon. "




Here we go again... wrote on May 8, 2008 5:30 PM:

"

Why can't we all just get along...HA!! "




disgusted wrote on May 8, 2008 2:29 PM:

" To Brandon,
What a hypocrite, your a missionary telling people about your religion, and in your own words, if it isn't true then you've led a good clean life. A Christian never doubts what he or she believes in, they know in their hearts 100% that Jesus is the savior, they don't second guess it and hope that its true, to them it is.
And calling people pansy's for not learning about mormonism, you don't have faith in your own religion, why should anyone else. "




gila valley res. wrote on May 8, 2008 2:17 PM:

" YES CATHOLICS DO PRAY TO STATUES,(what are talking about) I once was a catholic, they idolize there statues, Just like the people idolized and prayed to their statues years ago in the bible days, God did'nt allow it then why should it be allowed now. the bible was made for a reason which is to abide by it, not to fit it to one's tradition, "




Hmm... wrote on May 8, 2008 12:00 PM:

" A so called 'Mormon Missionary calling non-belivers in the mormon faith a pansy? Yep, that's the way to get them to join the church..... "




Brandon wrote on May 8, 2008 10:43 AM:

" Ok so i am a missionary right now, if you have questions or need to know something come to the source and stop reading all the bull false doctrine online. MORMON.ORG check it out, find out for yourself don't be a pansy, if this is true than it's the best thing ever if it's not mormons lived a good clean life and we are truly happy!!! we know GOD and Jesus Christ whom he hath sent!!! "




The wrote on May 8, 2008 9:57 AM:

" A point to ponder, what if a new synagogue or mosque were to be built? What would the valley do then? "




NewdaValley wrote on May 8, 2008 8:55 AM:

" I'm new to the valley (<1 year) and have seen the seperation between the LDS members and "everyone else". It's sad, unspoken, and has created the resentment heard so LOUDLY in these postings. Dolly Parton said it so eloquently in "Steel Magnolias", "God doesn't care where you go to church as long as you show up!" Let go Gila Valey, and let God! BTW: Catholics DO NOT pray to statues or hold false-Gods. All priests are not gay/child molesters...just like all LDS are not polygamists. Judge not, lest you be judged! "




Stephanie wrote on May 8, 2008 8:45 AM:

" I have one question: If the Mormon religion is truewhy did it take God so long to send a prophet? Why was a Mormon prophet not here at the time of Christ or shortly thereafter to develop this religion? All the poor people between the time of Christ and Joseph Smith that missed out on such a (insert your own description here) religion!!! "




Disgusted wrote on May 7, 2008 5:59 PM:

" I have always been proud to be a Gila valley resident. However, after reading these comments I am ashamed of the hatred that has been shone. If you have a problem with a mormon, then talk with them face to face and resolve it. It only fuels the fire to vent your frustration in an online forum as this. As for everyone who is so concerned that the LDS church is building one of their secret temples, the church holds open houses of their temples, allowing you to walk through before the temple is dedicated. "




gila vally res. wrote on May 7, 2008 4:07 PM:

" I have repect to the mormans in the gila valley,A Temple is a blessing to them. who cares if you all think their beliefs are false, For those catholics out there you have the bible and you still dont live by the laws of GOD, you break sin every day by praying to statues which it is which in the bible it says not to. GOD clearly states to pray to him through his son but you dont care, I am of no religion but I have god in my life because I abide by the bible leave the mormonsalone "




God is no respecter of persons wrote on May 7, 2008 12:47 PM:

" Im glad the extreme attitudes expressed below dont represent the majority of folks living here. The people I know (Mormons, Christians, Jews, Agnostics and Atheists) are much more civil than this. Most go about their daily lives, showing kindness to others and living by Christian values. Elitist or hypocritical Mormons and vicious Mormon-haters do exist in our community, but I wont believe that those extremists spewing vitriol here are representative of our neighbors. People choose good or evil regardless of their religion. Im glad it is Gods judgment, and not mine, that will grant or deny them access to heaven. "




Convert wrote on May 7, 2008 10:31 AM:

" Way to go Get A Clue.

I think Denise is the real robot, just doing what she has been told. I understand why she would have misconstrued thoughts, but I would hope that she would be intelligent enough to actually know what she's talking about before spouting off. Come on Denise, let's read scripture together and you'll see you are probably not that different than LDS or other Christian denominations. What is your denomination? Do you think your religious officials would appreciate your comments and tone? "




get a long wrote on May 7, 2008 10:31 AM:

" This reminds me of elementary school when a kid got to play with one toy and the other kids would get mad and make fun of the kid. The Mormons are getting a new building in town so there are some who are jealous, mad, or just childish because the mormon's are getting the new Temple. There is a resolution if it is so secretive why don't you join the religion make yourselves eligible to enter the temple and see first hand what takes place in a temple and you will be suprised and want to go back! "




Get a Clue wrote on May 7, 2008 9:56 AM:

" To Denise who quoted the scripture from Deuteronomy, you show your scriptural ignorance. When that was written the Bible as we know it today was not intact. If that is true, why do you believe anything in the Bible after Deut? Your ignorant reasoning tells us that only Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus and Numbers are the only true books in the Bible since the remainder, including the entire New Testament, is AFTER Deutoronomy. Before you criticize know what you're talking about. "




Denise wrote on May 7, 2008 9:38 AM:

" Here is my take on the whole mormon thing: . Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
(Deuteronomy 4:1-2)

Now Joe Smith added to and took away from our word of the LORD! So the mormon bible means nothing to us Christians. "




Interested observer wrote on May 7, 2008 8:33 AM:

" As one who grew up in the Gila Valley but no longer lives there, I have been following this exchange of venom and mean spiritedness with some interest.

Here's the problem as I see it: For the most part, it has nothing to do with Christianity or Mormonism. The problem is organized religion itself. People get so caught up in the differences between religions that they overlook the commonalities. Most also overlook the distinction between spirituality and religion. Unfortunately, organized religion (all the ones I can think of) have perverted spirituality in the name of religion. "




Get a life wrote on May 7, 2008 7:26 AM:

" Mormon Hater,
"Keep that out of MY valley"? Now who is self-centered and capable of only looking out for himself? It is not your valley or the Mormons valley. Let go of your anger and stop being a part of the problem. "




David wrote on May 6, 2008 12:50 PM:

" The Mormon Church is contracting in membership, and location. They are building more temples close to headquarters, but not growing as much elsewhere. To see why read, An Insider's View of Mormon Origins, by Grant S. Palmer. He is a member of the church, working in church education for 34 years. Everything he writes is documented.

Non-Mormons would find it useful to read the book, for facts to discuss with Mormons if they come proselytizing. Most Mormons know nothing of these facts about their real history.
"




confusedanddazed wrote on May 6, 2008 9:17 AM:

" ok...last saturday I saw alot of people on main street for the CINCO DE MEYO parade ( a catholic,mexican holiday). I saw Mormoms, Catholics, Baptist, and so on!!! Let us do what we (mormoms) need to do... we don't bother you about your religon DON'T bother us about ours. A temple is a sacred place that only the worthy can attend... that is why we don't "kill two birds with one stone".. PLEASE stop being so judgemental. You write about us being a certain way... LOOK at what you are doing right now with what you are writing! "




Mary wrote on May 6, 2008 8:49 AM:

" Simon...

I'm glad I don't believe in the gospel of Joe Smith. I believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ and live it. Your use of the familiar "Joe" is designed only to denigrate the man. What you and others forget is that he was only a man with human weaknesses, called of God to do a great work. He did the best he could. I'm OK that he was falible, as are all men and women. Just because he was a prophet doesn't make him perfect. "




Mary wrote on May 6, 2008 8:45 AM:

" Wow, the venom... Truth be told.

"In 2007 the Church responded to major earthquakes in 5 countries, massive fires in 6 countries, hunger and famine in 18 countries, and flooding and severe storms in 34 countries. In total the Church and its members responded to 170 major events---nearly one every two days for the entire year.

In addition to responding to natural disasters, we undertook thousands of public health initiatives during the year. Over 1 million people benefited from Church-sponsored clean water projects in 25 countries."

Tip of the iceberg. Want more? Read here: http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-851-18,00.html "




LDS guy wrote on May 6, 2008 7:59 AM:

" That is awesome that you are guys are getting two new temples! Congrats! "




Paul wrote on May 5, 2008 11:09 PM:

" 1 Thes. 4: 8
8 He therefore that adespiseth, bdespiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his choly Spirit. "




Matthew wrote on May 5, 2008 11:05 PM:

" Matt. 5: 44
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that dcurse you, do good to them that hate you, and gpray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; "




Beth wrote on May 5, 2008 8:28 PM:

" I was born and raised in Safford and have told my daughter how great my memories are of the people and places.She can't get enough.I have told her of the members and nonmembers that have toughed my life growing up. I went to the "church cabin" and to "indian hot springs." It was great anywhere I went because the people were great. It really hurts my heart to see the coments made about having a temple in the valley. It is the Mormons money. How is it hurting anyone?
Glendale and homesick. "




Mormons Are Christian wrote on May 5, 2008 8:03 PM:

" In answer to "Christian" :

Mormons are not Creedal Christians. However, they do believe in the Jesus Christ of the New Testament:

The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is often accused by Evangelicals of not believing in Christ and, therefore, not being a Christian religion. This article http://mormonsarechristian.blogspot.com/ helps to clarify such misconceptions by examining early Christianity's comprehension of baptism, the Godhead, the deity of Jesus Christ and His Atonement.

The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) adheres more closely to First Century Christianity and the New Testament than any other denomination. "




Anyone Listening wrote on May 5, 2008 6:19 PM:

" Weather you like it or not, you can write all the comments you want the temple is going up either way. Yes we all have had bad experiences with some of the people of the mormon faith, but this is there thing and if it was the catholic church, the baptise church, or any other church that wanted to do this it wouldnt be a issue. Nothing is going to change this area. if they act snooty to you, be snooty right back because trust me they are no better then you or me. Some times theyhavetobeputinthereplace. "




Yowza wrote on May 5, 2008 4:43 PM:

" I'm glad I live in Safford! :) An education person, let alone a Mormon, would realize that your statement is a logical fallacy in and of itself. I understand and believe that many people have had bad experiences with Mormons, especially in this valley, but why are you taking it out on the religion? People are free to act stupid regardless of religious affilation. Address the person(s) that has(have) the issue and stop making hasty generalizations! How an INDIVIDUAL follows a religion makes them INDIVIDUALLY accountable for their actions. It's actually a fundamental Mormon belief!! "




Im LDS wrote on May 5, 2008 3:56 PM:

" and I have a Bachelors of Science in Mathematics (with honors) and an MBA (#1 in my class). Your assumption that LDS are uneducated is faulty. Mormons typically have more years of education than the average American.
In fact, education is highly valued within the LDS community.

Why so much hate? I don't hate you, no matter your religion or creed. "




Out of Thatcher wrote on May 5, 2008 3:20 PM:

" I hope your President of your Cult (Mormonism) does not ask you to drink the Kool-aid, because unfortunately, I do not know one Mormon in Thatcher who can think for themselves. Stop having babies and get some education. "




Mink wrote on May 5, 2008 11:47 AM:

" Whew! - I don't remember Christ teaching his followers to hate anyone. Most of you sound like the Jews who attacked Jesus for talking with Samaritans.

What's so hard about showing a little tolerance for all faiths (or non-faiths)? "




ggggrrreeaatttt wrote on May 5, 2008 11:11 AM:

" thats all we need, is more kids comein and knockin on our doors!!! NOT!!!!!!! "




Former Resident wrote on May 5, 2008 10:34 AM:

" So much hatred. So sad. What happened to the Gila Valley? "




insane wrote on May 5, 2008 10:20 AM:

" Everyone needs to stop this. It is no ones business that the LDS church is buying land to use for their own religion. Why are we so judgemental? It isn't going to hurt ANYONE that there is going to be basically a building on some land that has nothing on it now. Get over it and stop this. We are all children of God, no matter what religion. "




cliff wrote on May 5, 2008 10:18 AM:

" From having read a little of the history of Joseph Smith, he seems nothing more than a con-man, having dealt in several shady ventures, he finally found something that worked for him. He was also a womanizer who when his wife couldn't take it anymore, suddenly got a revelation from God that it was ok to have more than one wife. All he did was take the Bible and twist it to make it his own, and got alot of poor ignorant people to believe in this new religion that he invented, a true con-man.. "




You Can Too wrote on May 5, 2008 9:53 AM:

" If you're tired of the influence that the Mormons have in the Safford area, get off your butt and get involved yourself and quit griping ! "




uhm... wrote on May 4, 2008 10:38 PM:

" do they keep their extra wives in these "temples"? no wonder it's so secret. "




Not LDS BUT..... wrote on May 4, 2008 8:08 PM:

" I am not of the Mormon Faith but I have a lot of respect for their faith. I am very excited to have a Temple in the Valley. We will all be blessed because of it. "




rey rey wrote on May 4, 2008 7:40 PM:

" do talking salamanders and magic underwear sound sane? mormons believe that african americans are cursed, that's why god made them black. its in the book of mormon look it up. crazy talk. "




fah-q polygamists of the afterlife wrote on May 4, 2008 6:42 PM:

" No evidence has been found in the new world for a ferrous metallurgical industry dating to pre-Columbian times. And so this is a king-size problem, it seems to me, for so-called Book of Mormon archaeology. The evidence is absent." (Michael Coe, Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Vol. 8, No. 2, Summer 1973, p. 23). "




Fah-Q LDS wrote on May 4, 2008 6:40 PM:

" GOD IS FAKE. DEAL WITH IT. The mormon religion is a shameful attempt at anglo superiority.Lets see.After the alleged war that took place between the fictional NephitesandLamanites the latter wiped out the former.Well there is no evidence that these people ever existed.In a war were about two million people lose their lives there is going to be EVIDENCE.METALS LEFT that the doorstop known as the book of mormon talk frequently about but never existed. "




A concerned citizen wrote on May 4, 2008 4:12 PM:

" FYI all Mormons, I don't believe that people in the Valley are saying anything negative because of the FLDS religion. We are going off of what is going on here locally. You keep saying that the Mormons do so much here to help our economy....name some things...I sure dont see them doing anything different than anyone else of different religion. These comments are the kind that make us "non Mormons" feel resentment towards your church. God loves us all the same. Quit making us to be bad people because we dont practice your beliefs. We will see you in Heaven. "




Ron wrote on May 4, 2008 4:01 PM:

" May we remember the Master's admonition to love one another, "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." John 13:34-35. Along with that, "Love ..., bless ..., do good ..., pray ..." Matt 5:44 "




Long time valley resident wrote on May 4, 2008 3:58 PM:

" I dont think having a Temple here in the valley would be so bad if it was for the entire community to use. But people who are not baptised Mormon are not allowed inside. I think that is prejudice and I beleive thats why many people are upset about it. Maybe the Mormon religions should be more flexible and accomidating and not so secret and we will proudly welcome the Temple. I personally wish that this wasn't considered "Mormon territory". It should be Safford/Thatcher/Pima, towns that are equal. But us non Mormons are just peons....it is a little sad.... "




Chelle wrote on May 4, 2008 3:54 PM:

" First I have to say I have many Mormon friends and coworkers and much of my family is Mormon and most are very good people. However, I think it's sad that many Mormons in this valley think they are better than everyone else...and trust me they do. Everyone has a right to religion but I shouldnt have to be harrassed in the walmart parking lot or while waiting for a ride at the college by missionaries that wont take no thank you for an answer. I hope that having a temple here will not make it even worse here. "




WOW wrote on May 4, 2008 2:13 PM:

" Another temple so you people can baptize and marry more dead people!!!! If they didn't want to be Morman alive why would they want to be dead they made up their mind in life you people have no right to make their minds up just cause they are dead!!! "




christian wrote on May 4, 2008 6:35 AM:

" To reptilist,
St Peter does not have a checklist, but the Lord does. The only criteria to enter heaven when you die is to have repented of your sins and to have placed your faith in Jesus Christ (acknowledging that He paid the price at Calvary). Baptism does not save you, it is just an outward symbol of one's faith.Just about every false religion I can think of adds works to that checklist even though the Bible clearly teaches the opposite. Satan uses the same lie over and over again, and people continue to buy into it.
"




Mormon Hater wrote on May 4, 2008 1:17 AM:

" Keep that crap out of this valley. Everywhere I go, I am surrounded by this false religion and its representative buildings. Why do I hate Mormons? It's a religion founded by a crook. Not only that, the followers, for the most part, are over-zealous, self-centered bastards capable of only looking out for themselves. Get a life. If Mormons need to do so-called "temple work," then they can drive to Mesa. Keep that out of my valley. "




OFW wrote on May 3, 2008 11:14 PM:

" The following statement sums it all up very well and has since I first came to Safford in 1948. Read it an weep. No stopping it.
OFW
Mormon Almighty wrote on May 2, 2008 7:12 PM:
" Everyone here is obviously jealous that they can't be a part of the temple. All you people trying to bash on us go ahead take your anger out on us, we know its just because you can't hang with the mormon religion, which we all know is the superior force in the Gila Valley! All the rest can just step down!" "




sad wrote on May 3, 2008 8:43 PM:

" I being a member of the LDS church have never said anything against any other religion. It's non of my buisness to judge others by anything whether it be religion race or gender. People are people and non of that other stuff matters as long are you are a good and kind person. There is no need for nasty attitudes towards anyone of any faith. I know that not all "Mormans" are great people but nobody is perfect the only perfect person who ever walked this earth is our brother and Savior Jesus Christ. "




reptilist wrote on May 3, 2008 7:29 AM:

" Christian has lain down the law! hahaha
That's what's bad about organized religion...
You all spend too much time defining your canon of exclusion.
To be sure, a christian believer is anyone who believes Jesus is the son of God..All the other associated doctrines are academic and surely not a factor in anyone's afterlife.
Do you think St. Peter has a checklist?
"Oops, sorry, you don't believe in baptism by immersion, you go to hell."
Mormons are Christians just like Catholics and Protestants are. It's unchristian to think otherwise. "




amazed wrote on May 2, 2008 8:25 PM:

" I am amazed that people are actually upset that a religious building is coming to town. I drive by homes and see a statue of a Saint in the front and I smile because the people that live there believe in Christ. Mormons believe in Christ, and we share in the joy of others who also believe. As for what goes on in the Temple, it isn't a secret, it is sacred. There may be some that you call jack mormon, but I call them human making mistakes, striving to be better. No one is perfect except for Christ. "




Informative wrote on May 2, 2008 8:01 PM:

" Wonder why a temple? Just look to the Bible over and over.

A Temple is not a regular synagogue ( where you have weekly church and where everyone is welcome). It is highly sacred.

It was important enought for Moses to take a traveling one into the wilderness. King David fell and wasn't allowed to build one. Solomon did. It was important enough for Christ to chase the money changers out with a whip.

If Christ didn't think Temples were necessary, why would he care what happened inside?

Christ, who was perfect, believed in Temple attendance. "




Mormon Almighty wrote on May 2, 2008 5:12 PM:

" Everyone here is obviously jealous that they can't be a part of the temple. All you people trying to bash on us go ahead take your anger out on us, we know its just because you can't hang with the mormon religion, which we all know is the superior force in the Gila Valley! All the rest can just step down!! "




Sharon wrote on May 2, 2008 4:08 PM:

" to clarify something if you read the Bible it explains we are the temple of the Lord not some building. Read any translation and you will get the same answer. 1 Corinthians 6:19 NLT "Or dont you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God?" People created religion not God. But we shouldnt hate on others either. We are suppose to love one another. We might like what each other does but we are not to judge. Only God can judge. "




christian wrote on May 2, 2008 3:43 PM:

" Mormons are not Christians. Christians do not believe that God was once a man, or that humans can become a God. We do not believe that Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer, or that Joseph Smith is a true prophet. Christians believe that works are evidence of faith, and not a means to salvation. Christians believe that God is the only God. "




Over My Shock wrote on May 2, 2008 3:12 PM:

" to enough: I would like to quote my previous comment 'there have been/still are "jack" Mormons around, but I hope you realize that the beliefs and doctrine that we have make the religion, not the people or bad decisions they have made.' Pride comes from all types of people. This is a personality flaw, not a religious flaw. Mormon beliefs and doctrine stand alone, regardless of membership, attitudes, actions, behaviors, whatever. I have felt the "better than you" attitude, but I am Mormon because of the doctrine, not the people. The sin is in their behavior/attitude, not the religion. "




AA wrote on May 2, 2008 1:34 PM:

" Read Mormonism Mama and Me by Thelma Geer, a very informative book on the secret lives and rituals of the Mormon religion and what goes on in these temple ceremonies. "




Bigger Question wrote on May 2, 2008 1:22 PM:

" Shouldn't we all just try and be the best we can be? All Christians (Mormons are Christians too) need to get together to solve the bigger problems of the world. Pornography, biggotry, child abuse, unwed/teenage pregnancy. It really doesn't matter what religion you are. Step back and ask yourself...HOW CAN I MAKE THIS WORLD A BETTER PLACE? Let's stop fighting with each ther and try and be GOOD NEIGHBORS. We all have something to learn from each other! "




Over My Shock wrote on May 2, 2008 12:55 PM:

" To confused (con't) and also to April. For in depth questions, I strongly encourage that you talk to the missionaries or visit the lds.org website. 100 word commentary is not sufficient to really answer questions or resolve misunderstandings. The missionaries won't bite your head off, nor will they try to convert you. I believe they will answer your questions to the best of their knowledge and understanding. I hope that the temple and these comments will help people, not cause more hurt. I hope my answers helped. "




Over My Shock wrote on May 2, 2008 12:51 PM:

" To confused. Unfortunately, I wish I adeqately had the time or eloquence to explain fully the concept of Baptism for the Dead. I know that the little I can say here will probably not adequately answer your question, or, which is more likely, you're going to be unhappy with anything I say, but I'll try. After the ordinance is performed, the individual chooses to accept it or not. Baptism on earth, or by proxy, for the dead, doesn't guarantee anything. All are free to make their own decisions. God is our judge and he decides who "poofs" into heaven. "




enough wrote on May 2, 2008 12:17 PM:

" Yes, there is good and bad in every religion. BUT, everyone is upset because a bigger part of the morman's here in this town, think they are better then everyone else! When 1/2 of them are doing wrong everyday and just keep it hush hush. Other religions here dont think they are better then everyone else and try to take over the whole town! They dont have missionaries out HARRASSING ppl every where. You can be polite to them and tell them you are not interested and they just keep on and on!!! "




D wrote on May 2, 2008 12:04 PM:

" Wow, more hatred! We wonder why our children are violent. For your information, the LDS church has helped and will help any of you in need, regardless of your beliefs. The LDS church has also helped other churches when it was in need. They donate to schools that YOUR kids go to! Get a life, quit judging. "




A Morman wrote on May 2, 2008 10:52 AM:

" cont.
and maybe a few others have their roots here in this "Mormon community". It makes me wonder why the rest of you are here if you so hate the Mormons. Why did you come in the first place, what attracted you?
I know it is hard to believe some of the stories of Joseph Smith and church leaders but what about the story of the devine conception of Jesus or a man was dead and "buried" and he rose from the dead. But the world/kingdom of God is full of wonder/ mystery. Miracles I believe "




Appalled and Amused wrote on May 2, 2008 10:47 AM:

" News of a temple being built and the excitement and criticism to follow are to be expected. It is rare that an LDS church built without strong protest from the community. Especially when the construction on the even larger Luthern church two blocks away isnt even commented on. The ferver against the LDS temples are even greater.
The irony is that inspite of the protest against these structures most communities are proud to have them after they are completed. Ignorance and anti-mormon sentiment go together. ppl who cry the loudest for tolerance are normally the least tolerant themselves. "




A Morman wrote on May 2, 2008 10:45 AM:

" Proud LDS Member shame on you for saying that all Catholic priest are child molesters and etc. There are good and bad people in all religious faiths. If you check the history of all churches they have a shady past on the part of some of their members. People can move along and observe the good humanitarian things the Mormons do, who was first in New Orleans with supplies a couple years ago? A few Methodist, not more than 10 have roots in the Gila Valley in the earliest days, most Catholics/Mexicans have been here forgenerations, "




Clarification wrote on May 2, 2008 10:12 AM:

" To April - Even in Christ's time and during the old testament not everyone was allowed in the temple or the tabernacle. If everyone was allowed in whenever they wanted to go in it would be no more sacred than the public library or a park. Christ himself threw money changers out of the temple declaring that they had made it a den of thieves. The temple is for everyone who keeps God's commandments. "




one of the informed wrote on May 2, 2008 10:10 AM:

" To all of my fellow members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day saints: I share in your joy in the temple. I share in your dismay at the spite and misunderstanding that is apparent in those who crave contention and hate. Rise above it. Remember how the Savior lived and what He taught. The Savior Himself was hated and crucified by those whom he was trying to help. A few silly comments from the grossly uninformed are of no consequence. "




April wrote on May 2, 2008 7:48 AM:

" If the Temple is supposed to be "The House of the Lord", then why are only some people allowed to go in? If there are abundant blessings there, then shouldn't everyone be entitled to those blessings, no matter who they are? God doesn't shower his blessings on only a "chosen few" and leave the others out to dry, he loves us all the same and gives us all the same opportunity to accept him as our savior and live with him for all eternity. I just don't understand Mormon's way of thinking.... "




Cartman wrote on May 1, 2008 11:29 PM:

" All of you looking for information on the mormon religion can also check out the episode of "South Park" about the morman religion. I found it very accurate and informative, haha, not to mention hilarious!! "




Geico wrote on May 1, 2008 9:59 PM:

" Did Joseph Smith have internet access like Jed Clampett? I heard a rumor that those "golden plates" he stole were going for 1.2 million dollars on ebay! "




X-communicated wrote on May 1, 2008 9:28 PM:

" It's all a big hoax! Joseph Smith was not a martyr as they claim. He died with a gun in his hand trying to fight his way out of jail. Why? Because he was a goat/sheep thief and a polygamist. Sound familiar to current events (FLDS)! At least Warren Jeffs, true Mormon and believer in Joseph Smith and Zion, has kept the faith unlike all you phony pioneers in Graham county. "




Proud LDS member wrote on May 1, 2008 6:05 PM:

" All of you are ridiculous! It's funny to me that you all live in an LDS community but have nothing nice to say about the church. I guess it's not a big deal to everyone that all the Catholic Priests are child molesters and gays, but you try to bring up past practices of the church. Besides all that, none of you even know what you are talking about or have benn trained about the church. Just go ahead and keep saying what you want to say, because only God can judge! "




concernedcitizen wrote on May 1, 2008 5:51 PM:

" Check out mrm.org for info on how mormonism compares to christianity. It also tells much about mormon doctrine past and present. "




confused wrote on May 1, 2008 4:37 PM:

" To Over my shock: So your sitting in Hell one day, and some mormon on earth gets babtised in your name, and poof!! your in Heaven. Seems pretty far fetched to me. In most churches around the world, all sinners and non believers are allowed in, not just the faithful members, sounds almost like a clubhouse instead of a church. "




jeanette wrote on May 1, 2008 4:20 PM:

" I personally don't care to see more people and traffic in Safford, I liked it when it felt like a small town, in the past two years the town has grown so much and the crime rate has soared because of the growth. I have nothing against the mormons, but I don't think Safford will ever be the same home town I grew up in if a temple is built here, I hardly recognize it now. "




now residing in ak wrote on May 1, 2008 3:44 PM:

" My condolences to Graham county... "




Have a question wrote on May 1, 2008 3:23 PM:

" Check out this website www.mormon.org Click on the Basic Beliefs. On the left side click on Laws and Ordinances. Then there is a subtitle "Temples and Family History" Hopefully that will help answer some of your questions. Please refer anyone who has questions to this website! "




Curious wrote on May 1, 2008 3:19 PM:

" Wow, I wonder what really goes on in a Temple? It is so secretive and the mormans say it is so wonderful. "




take a look wrote on May 1, 2008 3:16 PM:

" If anyone has questions about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and their beliefs I would refer them to the following web-site www.mormon.org. This site is straight foward and will answer questions you have. If your questions are still not answered talk to a Mormon! They won't bite you :o) "




Just wondering wrote on May 1, 2008 3:10 PM:

" Does anyone know what goes on during a wedding ceremony in the Temple?? My brother is mormon and got married in the Utah Temple, BUT I wasn't "allowed" in, nor was my mom, my dad, my other 3 sisters, my little brother, my aunts, uncles, cousins, friends of the family... I guess we were not good enough? I never understood that- can anyone clarify?? Maybe it's because we've had a couple beers in our lives? LOL "




Over My Shock wrote on May 1, 2008 2:04 PM:

" April, you asked about the purpose of the temple: "To members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the temple is the "House of the Lord." It is a sacred building, and after its dedication only faithful members of the Church may enter. Inside, members learn more about the purpose of life and make covenants to serve Jesus Christ and their fellow man. In addition, they participate in religious ceremonies that reach beyond mortality, such as baptisms on behalf of deceased ancestors and eternal marriage." I got this from lds.org. More info can be found there too! "




reptilist wrote on May 1, 2008 1:09 PM:

" I like decent people regardless of their religion...And the mormons have for the most part been a positive influence on humanity.

So I think it is a good idea. I think the mormons should have built a temple in the Gila valley decades ago!

Congratulations to the local mormons on this achievement!
"




Shocked wrote on May 1, 2008 11:55 AM:

" Thanks, Stuff! :) I couldn't agree more about the economy. The Temple District, from my understanding, even includes Tucson and parts of New Mexico. I can totally see all these people coming to our Valley to eat at the restaurants, run in to our stores, etc. I must admit that the extra traffic kind of scares me, but, you know, we'll get it figured out eventually! (We don't have a choice but to figure it out.) My point is, more money spent here, more tax money for us, better life/infrastucture/property values for everyone! (Over the long term.) I'm soooooo excited! "




April wrote on May 1, 2008 10:32 AM:

" What exactly is the purpose of the Temple? And why are the activities that go on in the Temple different then the ones that go on in the church? "




one of the informed wrote on May 1, 2008 9:30 AM:

" I am astounded at the small mindedness apparent in this discussion. Whether or not a person ascribes to a particular faith, each faith should be treated with respect and courtesy. Whether or not you accept LDS doctrine, at least read it first hand and get your facts straight, instead of relying on hearsay and bias. As the prophet Joseph Smith said, "We claim the priviledge of worshipping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience and allow all men the same privilege. Let them worship how, where, or what they may." "




Mike wrote on May 1, 2008 9:04 AM:

" Why do people feel the need to attack a religion? It is a mystery. Mormons don't attack others. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. Just because it's easier to say what you feel because a person is not in front of your face doesn't mean it's okay to say it. The temple will only be a positive thing. I can't see anything negative that will come from it. I am happy for the LDS community in the Gila Valley! "




Curious Christian wrote on May 1, 2008 7:51 AM:

" So, the majority of the responses posted so far are in opposition to the LDS temple. Why? The LDS church has established itself around principles of faith and works and across the globe has shown tremendous charity without regard religion or nationality. Hundreds of thousands of hours have been spent by their members improving this valley. Not all people agree with them. That fine. My advice get out of your chair and do half the work they do for humanity. "




Christian wrote on May 1, 2008 6:34 AM:

" It should make one wonder if Joseph Smith is a true prophet since many of his teachings have been changed over the years. As a christian, I believe in the Bible. The Bible says that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. This means he does not change his mind to fit social/political ideals. Faith in Jesus as savior is the only way to heaven! For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 "




Judy wrote on Apr 30, 2008 11:07 PM:

" My heart is saddened by the negative responses that are being said and posted about the temple to be built in the Gila Valley. Why does there still need to be persucution? I believe with all of the news about the FLDS church and poligamy that people with closed minds are still accusing the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints of still practicing it. They do not, and yes, blessing do come from God and this is a "wonderful blessing" to come to the Gila Valley. Were it any other church would there be the critizism? "




stuff wrote on Apr 30, 2008 10:41 PM:

" I have got to agree with "Old Safford Resident." Mormons started that area and it makes sense that lots of Mormons live there,just like Utah, Idaho,and Snowflake.I can't believe yo people are complaing.Do you want your property do be worth more than it already is,I will make it easier for you "Do you like more MONEY?" The church makes places better with every temple the put on the earth, things get landscaped better, property values go up,publicity and money with flow to the Gila Valley.People will travel from different places to go to the temple.A Better Economy 4for locals. "




thank you wrote on Apr 30, 2008 10:22 PM:

" thanks to all the anti mormon sentiment. It really shows people's true colors. Keep it up gg,April,Simon,NH and Frustrated I sure hope you keep speaking your true feelings and don't bottle it up. I dont know why you hate mormons but it shows. "




Unbiased wrote on Apr 30, 2008 9:50 PM:

" Why is it that so many people think the word "Morman" is taboo? It was the morman pioneers who first setttled in this valley. It was they who first began to make this the beautiful valley that it is today. It was their choice to live here just as it is yours. There are many other denominations in the Gila Valley who are not bothered or ridiculed by the LDS members. I am not a member of the LDS religion but I respect what they believe in. You should too! "




Cant Wait for the temple wrote on Apr 30, 2008 8:01 PM:

" For you information all the bad news going around is about the FLDS church, not the LDS church, we have nothing to do with them! You have no idea what kind of blessings come from the temple. Going through the temple was the most amazing experience of my life, the feeling there is undescribable. On a bad day, all i want to do is go to temple because it is so peacful. It lets me escape the worries of the world for a few hours. I know my church is true without a doubt in my mind. "




Shocked wrote on Apr 30, 2008 7:44 PM:

" Wow! I didn't realize there was so much anti-Mormon sentiment in the valley. Holy cow! As a Mormon, (full disclosure), I am so happy that I will be able to further particpate in my religion in a place closer to my home. The misconceptions and misunderstandings of the Mormon religion and doctrine just astound me. Hatred, anger, lies, and prejudice transcend religion. I am fully aware that their have been/still are "jack" Mormons around, but I hope you realize that the beliefs and doctrine that we have make the religion, not the people or bad decisions they have made. "




To NH wrote on Apr 30, 2008 6:48 PM:

" Why would we take our temple to Texas? Are you showing you ignorance? "




To Smith the Zealot wrote on Apr 30, 2008 6:39 PM:

" Buy a dictionary; take an English class, and learn how to write. "




great news wrote on Apr 30, 2008 6:18 PM:

" i couldn't be happier. this is good news for the valley in every way. "




Warren J. wrote on Apr 30, 2008 6:03 PM:

" This will be good for the Gila Valley. There are too many newcomers here and we need to stay strong! As you all know we Mormons founded this place and there would be nothing here if it wasn't for us! "




Old Safford Resident wrote on Apr 30, 2008 3:38 PM:

" Wow- The Valley was founded by Mormon pioneers and you wonder why there is a Mormon presence. If you move to Rome be prepared to find a few Catholics. Oh well you can't fix stupid. Oh by the way property values soar in temple neighborhoods. Why don't up get a life and realize people should allow any church to build what building it sees fit for its members. Oh well stupid people continue to show their stupidity by opening their mouths. But again your mayor leads the way. "




Frustrated wrote on Apr 30, 2008 3:31 PM:

" Don't we already have enough "Mormon" life in the Gila Valley! It is such a shame that Mormons have run through this town and have taken over so many of the positions in this valley. I encourage everyone in the valley to join together and make a name for other groups in this area other than the Mormons! Yes, Mormons are good people but they are so miss guided in believing things that are not of God! I really do believe people join this church to belong to a group,receive financial help, or to have others think for them! "




NH wrote on Apr 30, 2008 2:47 PM:

" What a sad, sad, shame. With all the bad press the Mormon Church is receiving this is the last thing we need in this community! Just when I thought there was hope for this community and intergration of more than Mormon's was happening! Please take your temple to texas or something just stay out of here! "




Simon the Zealot wrote on Apr 30, 2008 1:56 PM:

" I testify that the gospel of Joe Smith is false. Repent and receive the true gospel--Jesus Christ. If Joe was a true prophet why did he endorse polgamy, if he was a true prophet why did he forbid blacks from being part of the priesthood. The LDS did not allow this until 1978. Your whole faith is a contradiction to the Bible, what makes it worse you guys are a closed off click.

I can't believe so many intelligent people would put their trust the vision of a 14 year old boy, and future poligamist. "




April wrote on Apr 30, 2008 1:21 PM:

" We don't need an LDS Temple to be blessed! I don't know about you people but my blessings don't come from a building, they come from God himself!! And I don't really understand why the temple and the mormon church have to be seperate, why can't you kill 2 birds with one stone and use one building for all your many purposes!!?? "




Shelley wrote on Apr 30, 2008 11:44 AM:

" The LDS people will be blessed by this temple and others will too if they will open their hearts and minds. "




Youve got to be kidding... wrote on Apr 30, 2008 10:58 AM:

" Thats all we need....more LDS frustration here.... "




gg wrote on Apr 30, 2008 9:20 AM:

" No way not in the Gila Valley !!!!!! "