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T. Goodman wrote on Jul 8, 2008 10:13 PM:

" Hollywood Writer,
It's bola tie, not bolo. "




Dusty Roads wrote on Jun 26, 2008 4:29 PM:

" OG, you know a settlement often does not imply or impute guilt. And as this is a civil matter, all the more difficult to bring criminal charges.

As for the mine not being at 100% production, that has little impact on housing demand or retail growth.

World copper supply is rising with the new mine in Chile now online, so chances of the San Juan pit being constructed within the next 7 years are low. "




Idea wrote on Jun 26, 2008 12:45 PM:

" I have a plan...I'm going to get buy land, get on the council (or make sure I have friends on it), and try to get a business to bring me revenue on my land. Genious! Then if it goes south afterall I will just sue the city and get money regardless. Hmmm...sounds like a pretty fool-proof plan. A little self serviing don't you think? "




OG wrote on Jun 25, 2008 1:53 PM:

" Dusty, if you didn't notice before, anyone can speculate anything.

A settlement where Safford & Mr. & Mrs.Green would pay, since they're both being sued, may also mean Mr. Green is guilty of a Conflict of Interest, which in turn may become a Criminal Case wherein the Mayor would be mandated to resign his position upon conviction. "




OG wrote on Jun 25, 2008 1:46 PM:

" Dusty Roads, Fact: the new mines isn't gone, it just isn't at peak operation yet. The plan is that it will be by 2010.

Dusty you're all messed up. This lawsuit is one of a few coming down the pike. It's not likely these guys are merely using lawyers as a high school stage play.

Also, if you have actually looked around, you would see development is HAPPENING, in THATCHER instead of Safford. "




Dusty Roads wrote on Jun 25, 2008 12:44 PM:

" Reality is: A Notice of Claim + Filing a lawsuit costs about $2,500 bucks, chump change when the city might settle for $500,000 to avoid further litigation.

With a settlement, Talley can claim victory and recoup his modest expenses and you haters continue to blame Ron Green. "




Reality Bites wrote on Jun 24, 2008 2:23 PM:

" First filing the notice of claim was a bluff, a campaign trick and would never become a lawsuit. Now filing a lawsuit is a bluff and it doesn't mean anything until it goes before a judge? Give me a break. What turnip truck do think I just fell off? Filing a lawsuit costs money, I don't think Talley is doing anything friviously. I believe he feels he has been wronged and this is his only legitimate avenue for retribution. Why not keep your snarky comments to yourself until a judgement is made. Though I'm sure even that won't satisfy you. "




Dusty Roads wrote on Jun 23, 2008 12:44 PM:

" Developer moving to Pima, what money has been awarded to anyone? None, zip, nada, its all talk. Filing a lawsuit is cheap. Until it goes to a judge, its only a bluff.

You're not much of a developer either, before Green was elected in 04 there was no growth in this valley. The mine construction came, and now its gone (just like the new house market). "




Tired of being a Democrat wrote on Jun 23, 2008 8:26 AM:

" state rep, you should know about geting fleas from dogs. Your preformance this year once again shows your janets favorite republican in phoenix. if the good voters here really knew what you did in phx, they would not relect you again. "




Aunt B wrote on Jun 22, 2008 10:58 PM:

" To: Aunt Bologne,
So, you are saying that because you saw someone's car parked at another person's house several days a week that they were up to something? Have you never heard of friendship? Do you realize that friends get together and visit. Your assumption is a baseless speculation and nothing more. You may still find these friends visiting several times a week for many years to come. Really, you should have called yourself, Mrs. Cravitz or Nosey Rosey. Did you also watch Ron Green's house?? "




Pima wrote on Jun 22, 2008 11:37 AM:

" Hey Pima Developer:
There are alot of un-lived-in and completed houses in Safford. Good luck in your future in the valley as a whole.
And don't forget "It's the economy boneheads". $100 million development in Safford ??? What did the mine invest so far? Better check the numbers. Even I can do math that good.
Every city in Az has cut budgets to the bone minimum.
I'm not for Mayor Green but he was re-elected by a landslide. Sorry Majority Rules! "




Developer who has moved on to Pima wrote on Jun 22, 2008 9:30 AM:

" Don't forget people, the Talley lawsuit is only the beginning, there is also the Exeter lawsuit waiting in the wings. Together the claims add up to around $15 million or so. Seems like the city could have used that money to build and own a new police station and fire station. Instead it goes to people who were violated by the mayor who represents the city. No, he doesn't want new businesses or progress. In fact development in Safford has decreased by 80 percent since he was re-elected. I guess nobody wants to do buisiness with a crazy mayor. "




State Rep. wrote on Jun 22, 2008 9:24 AM:

" What I fail to understand is why people who claim to be Republicans vote for a democratic mayor who is supported by radical left-wing crazies? Well if you lie down with the dogs you're bound to get dirty. I hope this debacle serves as a lesson to all Republican voters during the upcoming elections. "




To the putrid mass spinning tales wrote on Jun 22, 2008 9:19 AM:

" Whoever wrote the aunt baloney post is pretty pitiful. He must have some sort of mental handicap. You mean Zappia never went to Green's house, Green doesn't meet with his "insider" group at McDonalds in the Wal-Mart? You are a fool who is being led by a bigger fool, like in the book The Emporer's New Clothes. Only problem is, when people point out the obvious, you still can't see. I feel sorry for you if you really believe what you say, but in reality I think your just using dirty Karl Rove type tactics. Shame on you. "




Aunt Baloney..... wrote on Jun 22, 2008 8:18 AM:

" Is really funny. Yes, I did pay attention during election time, noticing, especially, when I saw the old regime’s personal vehicles parked at each others’ homes. I really noticed every time I saw Smith’s vehicle parked at Cotter’s house, several days a week, just before his personal attack against Green came out on the radio. Don’t tell me Cotter “had no idea” about these types of dirty deeds. Hmmm, “highest character” indeed. Pima is right, sore losers will be sore losers, and it’s easy to identify them here. The People have spoken. In with the new, carry on. "




Opie wrote on Jun 21, 2008 9:42 PM:

" Hey Aunt B.- I am not a member of Ron Green's church, nor did I feel influenced by them, I just didn't buy what Cotter and gang were selling. "




Pima wrote on Jun 21, 2008 7:23 AM:

" Well it looks like the Safford Haters will stop at nothing to make their point. "If you don't have someting nice to say don't say anything", that's what my moma used to say.
I guess the sore loosers are just that sore loosers. The election is over and the haters are running on last minute appeal tactics. I feel sorrier for the Safford Haters than I do for the people of Safford that's for sure.
Taking money from the city is and outdated practice of yesterday. Out with the old and in with the new! "




Aunt B wrote on Jun 20, 2008 10:56 PM:

" To: "Elections are over, people"
Just to set you straight, I would like to tell you that you are quite wrong. JT Cotter did not use nasty tactics during the election. He was a gentleman of the highest character. Maybe you were not paying very good attention during that time. You couldn't be more wrong. Ron Green won the Election for many reasons and they are not all that surprising when you consider the influence of his parents and the influence of his church. "




More sense than your blabber wrote on Jun 20, 2008 9:04 AM:

" If Green is found to have a conflict, he will have committed a felony and be forced to resign. He has embarassed and bushwacked the city for long enough. If he had any decency at all he would have already stepped down. Instead he continues to be a bully who considers himself emperor of the world. Well, looks like we'll have his "good buddy" Kouts as our next "honorable" mayor. Long, take me with you. "




Safford Bloggenstein wrote on Jun 20, 2008 8:58 AM:

" No, it just means the mean, Green, political machine pulled the wool over the small percentage of people who actually voted, or don't you RECALL. Hey, that's a good idea. "




Green is Clean wrote on Jun 20, 2008 8:42 AM:

" If your making "Sense of it All" then let us ask you, is this a veiled threat you're making?

"...our soon to be former mayor. "

Recall? Hardly. Oh, Talley's lawsuit?
"




Dusty Roads wrote on Jun 20, 2008 8:38 AM:

" To Safford Cloggenstein, you said: "Unfortunately, that is bad for the majority of citizens."

Since it takes a majority of citizens to elect an entirely new council, I guess your statement is wrong eh? "




Some sense of it all wrote on Jun 19, 2008 11:30 PM:

" You mean like the Green supporter's use of the word "boondoggle?"
Both sides have whiners. Unfortunately, I think there's more to it than just mere accusations against our soon to be former mayor. "




Elections are over people..... wrote on Jun 19, 2008 8:54 PM:

" There’s a reason why Cotter received the LEAST amount of votes!! Just a hunch, but I bet it was because of the nasty ways he tried to defeat Green, including Smith’s lame personal attack on the radio. Who are you, relatives and friends of Talley/Cotter/Long/Stasiak/Howe??? Yeah, the Citizens of this town saw through all of the BS you people are trying to pass on everyone in these blogs and on the streets. Bye bye Cotter, bye bye Long, and soon…..bye bye Smith. Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya. "




Seriously you guys are funny..... wrote on Jun 19, 2008 8:53 PM:

" It’s funny how there are a select few who have to blog in support of each other’s stupid anti-mayor comments in order to feel validated. If you read carefully you can pick out words from threads during the election, like “buffoonery”, and realize it’s the same old people trying to tell us the same old stuff like last time. GET OVER IT! YOU LOST. DONE DEAL! If you guys have someone better than this, run for election next time! You still won't win. Go home and quit whining! "




Safford Bloggenstein wrote on Jun 19, 2008 8:40 PM:

" Its ridiculous the spin the Green guys try to make. Just like the breakwind when it compares the Courier's online comment section to the Star's letter to the editor. Why not compare online comment sections of both publications or both letter to the editor rules? Because there would be nothing to complain about since the Courier has the same rules for each of the forums as the Star or Republic do. The Green camp wants to rule the world and run things only the way they want to. Unfortunately, that is bad for the majority of citizens. "




Smarter than you wrote on Jun 19, 2008 8:32 PM:

" Your argument is baseless. Who said anything about a $100 million lease to own? Nobody. The lease to own purchase with the city would have been for a six million dollar building. Using your own logic, I go buy a car, I make $110K a year I can finance a $35K car. City of Safford's budget is about $80 million, yeah it can afford to finance a $6 million building. Face it, Green is bad for the city. I don't know Talley from doughnuts, but I can tell load of horse manure when I smell it. Green spews it. "




To Smarter than You.... wrote on Jun 19, 2008 6:21 PM:

" The difference between a loan for an automobile and a “lease” for $100MM worth of buildings is about $99,965,000, if you’re purchasing a $35,000 vehicle. Most individuals I know can’t afford that amount even with 0% interest, and small towns, curiously much like Safford, cannot either. We cannot even sustain something like a Chili’s, Olive Garden, or other large chain restaurant…..how are the developers planning on sustaining something worth $100MM????? "




To Smarter than You....continued..... wrote on Jun 19, 2008 6:20 PM:

" …..it’s NOT a smart way to go. You need to get smarter. All of you anti-Mayor bloggers need to get with the program. When you do the financial feasibility study, the math doesn’t work out. It’s that simple. "




To Smarter than You.... wrote on Jun 19, 2008 6:19 PM:

" Yes, I’ve heard of lease to own, and every financial advisor you talk to, and every book you read, will tell you that is a horrible way to manage your personal finances. This logic is no different for City finances. That’s why people are encouraged to save up enough money and pay cash for items, not “lease to own”. Millions of Americans are in financial ruin because of the plastic…..they don’t manage their finances well and buy on credit. Mayor Green is looking out for the best interests of the City..... "




Voice of Reason continued.... wrote on Jun 19, 2008 6:16 PM:

" for the mayor, council, and city, because they’re getting sued!” One doesn’t have to be a rocket-scientist to read through the lines of all of the BS…..Van Talley suing the City certainly shows his true colors as a man who doesn’t have our best interests in mind and who is STILL upset because he was thoroughly defeated by Ron Green. The fallout with Danny Smith is predictable because he no longer has his “team” playing on his side. "




Voice of Reason wrote on Jun 19, 2008 6:15 PM:

" If you read through some of the historic blogs, it’s easy to see that the same old trouble-makers continue to try to create, in a small newspaper blog, the appearance that things are not going well for the mayor and new council. There have already been blogs about how the new council is “in” with the mayor, which is an insult to the new members who were voted in with great enthusiasm, because the people were sick of the old regime. Now, I imagine some smart guy will write back and say, “look, things are going so badly "




Voice of Reason continued.... wrote on Jun 19, 2008 6:13 PM:

" …..the majority. He was (and is) always “in” with the old guys, and now that these guys were booted out, he’s doing anything he can to continue to try to stir up trouble for the mayor and council. He’s quickly showing that he can’t do what they tried to accuse Ron of……work with others. Being a councilman requires one to be a team-player, no matter who is on the council. That’s why high-quality teams weed out the ones who don’t make the cut. It’s a perfect time to pull Danny Smith and throw him out. "




Voice of Reason wrote on Jun 19, 2008 6:11 PM:

" For years now, Ron Green stood his ground against the old council, who always voted against everything Ron put on the agenda, who always maintained tight control of even the methodology needed to place an item on the agenda, etc. Ron took the brunt of all of these issues and had the strength of character to do what he believed was right, just like he does now. Now that Danny doesn’t have his daddy there (neither Van Talley nor JT), he can’t stand it when things don’t go his way every time because he’s no longer in "




Long Memory wrote on Jun 19, 2008 1:52 PM:

" Green beat Talley March 2004

Talley remains as Mayor until June 2004
Green sworn in thereafter.

Jacobson announces retirement about Sept 2004.

Huey Long arrives in Safford about October 2004 with Ragland as the council lead on the hire. Long officially begins as City Manager in January 2005.

Green again beats Talley, and is re-elected in March 2008. Long is gone by June 2008.

Total elapsed time for Long: 3yrs, 5mos

Its been a ride! "




Long Memory wrote on Jun 19, 2008 1:45 PM:

" For the record, Ed Ragland was the lead councilman in the city manager search when Huey Long was brought here from a very short stint in La Paz County. Much of the contact with Long prior to finalizing the hire was conducted through Ragland.

It was the previous city council who hired Huey Long in October 2004 (with an effective date of Jan 2005). Ron Green and Ed Zappia were sworn in on the city council in May/June 2004 (4 months before Huey's hire). "




I am wondering wrote on Jun 19, 2008 8:09 AM:

" Let me get this right..Huey Long was hired 4 years ago, Ron Green came in as Mayor 4 years ago.. Could it be that EX-Mayor Van Talley and his partner JT Cotter also Danny Smith, Ortega and RAgland were the ones to bring in Long? I don't know but makes me wonder. Why does all the blame go to Green didn't Danny Smith and Rueben Ortega vote for Gutherie and Long? We know Hancock , Foutz, Kouts, amd Malloque sure didn't do it. "




Bob Webb wrote on Jun 18, 2008 4:46 PM:

" I moved from Safford over ten years ago. Ran against Van Talley as Mayor a couple of times and have a knowledge of what small times politics are all about. It makes me sads to see that here we are ten plus years later and it is all still the same. Seems funny how you can be the Mayor of a town for a number of years then all of a sudden something happens and you want to sue the hand that fed you for a number of years. Then for the Mayor to act like a spoiled little brat.Growup. "




This is enough wrote on Jun 18, 2008 12:30 PM:

" Ridicule Ron BUT, leave his father out of it. Weldon(his father), is one of the greatest men I have ever met. He is a decorated war hero who has been through more than all of you ridiculers combined. Plus doesn't it prove that he loves his children if he is willing to help them out. I would do the same for my children. If it wasn’t for true American hero’s like him you would not be living in a free country. Maybe you should go talk to this 93 year old man and learn a thing or two. "




Beaver wrote on Jun 18, 2008 11:18 AM:

" Don't worry Ron, I'm sure you will come up with an excuse to sell to all your blind supporters. Blame it on the heat or what ever you want, it won't make any difference since you have people like Hancock and Kouts that have turned their brains over to others to do their thinking for them.

I'm sure "the lip" will take care of it all for you!! "




Beaver wrote on Jun 18, 2008 11:11 AM:

" So Ron paid off another city employee to try to keep him quite. Huey got $184,000.00 last night. He had to agree to not sue the Mayor and city.

For the record, Ron Green was responsible for hiring Huey and Guthrie. Ron voted them in the same as he voted for all the utility rate increases.

I wonder if Ron's DADDY will bail the city out as he did with all Ron's other failed businesses!! "




Long Memory wrote on Jun 18, 2008 10:54 AM:

" Hey laughing, ain't you heard? Huey Long took his $150,000 and his 80% of $135,000 retirement plan and left Dodge today.

Ok, so the Courier hasn't reported it, but Huey "retired" yesterday at the 11am employees meeting.

Lets see, he was here less than 4 years. He gets the $150K + (80% of his salary) and keeps his Hummer. Not a bad gig. Kinda like Ken Mecham when he was finished with Safford.

Safford's pretty good to out-of-town snake oil salesmen I'd say. Didn't Smith vote in both Mecham and Long?? "




Laughing wrote on Jun 18, 2008 9:10 AM:

" Green most certainly showed his level of inteligence with his comment to Danny Smith. Here he is being sued and accused of threatening city staff and he pulls a stupid stunt like that. What a dumb *ss. I think somone needs to Kick his *ss! Huey Long must not have heard it or he probably would have pulled his gun out again. You guys are a joke! "




Pima wrote on Jun 18, 2008 8:43 AM:

" Hey Hicks:
So now Danny Smith (who called me angry on this very Fourum during the last election) is the purest man on the Council. Amazing. Simply Amazing.
As far as the AG's office is concerned Safford never sent any complaint to them about any Conflict of Interest. That would need to happen first.
Statements from various Citizens of Safford are not going to prove a Conflict of Interest. Let's see some good ol fashoned money X-fer or something that proves an Interst. Time to put up or shut up. "




Another point of view wrote on Jun 17, 2008 8:07 PM:

" Reelection bid for sheriff would not be possible if a new safford pd, fire dept. and county jail were constructed. This has been the "promise" for 4 years from the sheriff. Convenient Uncle Ron was able to stop investors that are good for the city and county. Passage would have circumvented the sheriffs attempt to look good and gain more votes. Isn't the opposing candidate for sheriff, a City of Safford detective? "




Casual Observation wrote on Jun 17, 2008 6:24 PM:

" Hicks, haven't you noticed yet but the Arizona Attorney General's office can't find Safford on the map. "




Dusty Roads wrote on Jun 17, 2008 6:23 PM:

" To Interesting; Ok, what did you learn? You failed to enlighten us oh great learned one. You mentioned nothing of fact.

Could it be because you're buffing? Oh my! Wouldn't be the first time would it pal?

Exeter Development hasn't undertaken a major project in about ten years. Mr. Holt hasn't developed a major 36 hole PGA golf course ever.

If either of these developers had investors or the funding to proceed, Hick Mayor of Safford couldn't stop them and neither would the actions of the Thatcher Town Council. "




Hicks wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:43 AM:

" Hopefully, the Arizona Attorney General's Office will be keeping a watch on the proceedings of the Safford City Circus, oops, I meant Council. "




Hicks wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:41 AM:

" Due to this lawsuit, & others that have filed Letters of Intent which are also on their way to be served on the City, should Green be found in CONFLICT OF INTREST, He may be charged with Criminal Felony charges. In which case he will be mandated to GIVE UP HIS CHAIR, unlike Danny Smith did at the last Council Meeting.

Danny Smith, Kudos to you for not being afraid of the Mayor. Again, Kudos for being a Peace Keeper & attempting to keep the Council United. I know the Mayor doesn't KNOW what that means. "




Hicks wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:37 AM:

" To Tired of Talley & Tar & Feathers, you guys are so full of it that you can't see truth. Talley didn't start this fight & you know it. This is just one of Mayor Green's immature personal agenda fights that he's dragging the City thru.

And just because someone else who isn't afraid to keep Mayor Green ACCOUNTABLE doesn't make Talley a bad Dude.
Among Green's other immature poor judgement decisions. "




Oh The Drama wrote on Jun 17, 2008 8:26 AM:

" Wow! maybe the citizens of Safford are not to bright after all. We are paying high taxes and way over priced utillities when we should be living free... Let Procter and Gamble pick up the tab and sponsor us just like the many other soap operas !! "




ashamed wrote on Jun 16, 2008 4:47 PM:

" I grew up in Safford and I've known most of these men all of my life. Had some as teachers and went to school with some of their kids. If these were my fathers I would be ashamed of the way they've been acting recently! They act like we did when we were in Junior High! Grow up and act like MEN!! "




Interesting wrote on Jun 16, 2008 1:27 PM:

" Dusty Roads: If you keep repeating your half truths and factually inaccurate statements somebody will start believing them. But not everybody. You and your friends have relied on this concept for too long but most of us have caught on. The others just listen to you and your cronies and believe you wouldnt be saying it if it werent true. But they dont bother to check for themselves. I did.... and you are full of it "




GPS wrote on Jun 16, 2008 12:49 PM:

" I may be wrong courier but don't you head North from the intersection of Hwy 70 and 10 Ave. to the Gila River. "




Long Memory wrote on Jun 16, 2008 12:30 PM:

" No, I don't believe out-of-town developers who can't produce a bit of evidence of their expertise in the work they propose, or evidence of their project's feasibility.

As I said, it must be in Safford's water. Wishful thinking that someone from elsewhere is going to put them on the map.

In the meantime, they'll continue to fight among themselves as this blog attests to. "




Dusty Roads wrote on Jun 16, 2008 12:24 PM:

" Is it in Safford's water? What exactly makes otherwise rational people in Safford actually believe that some out of town developer was really going to dump $100 million dollars into some fancy real estate project here?

And, no one said he couldn't either. That's on the record. He just couldn't have a long term lease from the taxpayers.

It really must be in that water! Now the Safford-heads actually believe some out-of-town developer who over paid for his land out by the golf course is really going to build what the Courier reported! "




Truth hurts wrote on Jun 16, 2008 11:02 AM:

" Rumor person, what you fail to understand is that those three individuals are not "siding" with anyone. They have been listed as witnesses to the mayor's corruption. When they are called on the stand, they must tell the truth or face perjury charges. Owens does not want to go to court and tell the truth, but if he doesn't, he'll end up sharing a cell with criminal Green. P.S., the police department and fire department never supported Green during his successful re-election bid. "




Executive Session wrote on Jun 15, 2008 9:08 PM:

" Don't care what you believe "I believe" but the comment Green made to Smith is on record. "




Investigate wrote on Jun 15, 2008 9:53 AM:

" Rocket Scientist:
I couldn't of said it better. Good observation. "




Time to speak wrote on Jun 15, 2008 9:51 AM:

" Rocket Scientist:
Very well said... "




Uuuhhh.. wrote on Jun 15, 2008 8:49 AM:

" " I don't think anyone heard the comment of kicking Danny Smith, if they did they would have spoken up by now. Yes, I think that Van Talley, JT Cotter and Ed Ragland and maybe even Hughey Long are the ones writing most of these postings. That is why their cars are seen at Hughey Longs house all the time

I spoke to someone just yesterday who did hear him make that statement. I am flabbergasted by the immaturity, and the vitriol that is on that council. We really need some adults at the head of our city. "




Tar Feathers wrote on Jun 15, 2008 3:29 AM:

" Too bad we can't use tar and feathers to get rid of the bad influences in Safford. It'd be nice to tar and feather Talley, and run him out of town permanently. We don't need men like him to tear down our town. He did enough damage to Safford as the selfish, greed-driven mayor. Enough is enough!!! "




Tired Of Talley wrote on Jun 15, 2008 3:25 AM:

" Talley has been attacking Green every since Green beat him in the election for mayor. Talley, your ego is showing again. Many of us residents of Safford have had enough of your trouble-making, greedy moves. Why don't you just go away, and leave Safford to a happier future without you around. "




Thatcher Guy wrote on Jun 14, 2008 10:11 PM:

" How about if the lawsuit breaks the city the Town of Thatcher can annex Safford and run it the way it should be ran. Quality of service will go up/taxes will go down. Safford would finally have good leadership. "




Just a notion wrote on Jun 14, 2008 7:01 PM:

" As I read all the comments it makes me wonder who voted for Green and where they stand now? I was under the impresion the police department.,fire department.,and alot of business owners were behind him. Now he has turned his back and is mad at john Griffin and the police deptartment,Mike Rhoads and the fire department,and the businesses that suported him. Plus he is now causing problems for city department heads and city council members that he dislikes. Where does it end? Next year call Safford,( GREENSVILLE ) "




Rumor has it wrote on Jun 14, 2008 5:55 PM:

" I have heard that Heavy Owens said he did not say anything about Green trying to influence him. Mrs. Shupe should trying running the post office, so that when people mail a letter it gets where it should not siding with Talley. How much insurance does Talley and company have with Mr. Warren? "




Pima wrote on Jun 14, 2008 8:42 AM:

" Mr Hicks:
You are exactly right. Mayor Green should have to pay for this all by himself. Why is the city Involved? Oh it's becasue he was re-elected (by a large margin). Now becasue of the last election results the whole city has to pay. That's the Big City Developer/Liar (oh sorry) Lawyer way.
"The lure of easy money has a very strong appeal". "




Pima wrote on Jun 14, 2008 8:34 AM:

" I think the new street improvements in the City of Safford are looking pretty good. Who get's credit for these 20+ year old (Needed in 1995) improvments? Certainly not the previous mayor.
Mr. Talley only gets to own the Gila Resources fiasco, and the HiWay Hotel boondoggle.
I will stick by my "investors are outed statement". Until everyone knows who the actual investors are, they will not know the truth. Then it can all become very clear what was going on and who was pulling the strings.
See ya'll in court. "




I believe wrote on Jun 14, 2008 7:34 AM:

" I don't think anyone heard the comment of kicking Danny Smith, if they did they would have spoken up by now. Yes, I think that Van Talley, JT Cotter and Ed Ragland and maybe even Hughey Long are the ones writing most of these postings. That is why their cars are seen at Hughey Longs house all the time. "




Hicks wrote on Jun 13, 2008 3:01 PM:

" Rocket Scientist is correct. What real objectives/goals does Green have on behalf of the Citizens of Safford? Perhaps, it's the same as his personal & real accomplishments of his last term - Nada, zip & not one thing;

with the exception to cost it's tax payers millions.

He should have to pay it all himself for being so petty in dragging his personal issues into the City's. "




Rocket Scientist wrote on Jun 13, 2008 10:29 AM:

" It should be apparent to EVERYONE that our mayor has some significant personal problems. Yes--he is frustrated. He doesn't know how to interact with people---particularly those brighter than he is---which is just about everyone he comes in contact with (that is not a relative).

And, he doesn't have an agenda---except to strike back at anyone who he thinks is against him. Instead of "leading" in any constructive way, he is mired in pettiness and spite.

This is a pathetic individual. Sadly, his legacy as mayor will not be one of progress and accomplishment. "




Smarter than you wrote on Jun 12, 2008 9:34 PM:

" Hey real intelligence, if you knew anything about the situation you would know that the city cannot bond for the money they would need for all three projects, just like the county cannot bond for a new jail, it's too much money. That is one of the reasons Green keeps trying to put the police station on the back burner. I guess criminals don't want to give officers the ability to store evidence and do their jobs. It is not unusual for a government entity to lease to own a building. You should be listening to poster Tell Us. "




Time to speak wrote on Jun 12, 2008 6:07 PM:

" City council attendee, Just because it was unanimous dosn't mean anything. Danny smith is there for all the right reasons, The people! Unlike Mayor Green... Just because you did not hear it dosn't mean it didn't happen. what other reason would Danny Smith have to get up and move? He is nothing like mayor Green who would of made a scene!
I am surprised Green didn't ask for a vote of his people to "Kick Danny's a**" The Mayor is out of line in all areas of being a Mayor.. He really thinks he is King..... The a**kickin King "




Stop the Madness wrote on Jun 12, 2008 5:49 PM:

" Time to speak wrote on Jun 12, 2008 7:02 AM:
"The only reason you think it should not is because it might cost you."

Thanks- I'm so glad you know me. Actually I don't stand to lose anything. And yes, it is my answer. "




oh yeah wrote on Jun 12, 2008 4:08 PM:

" Very funny and very sad "




Beaver wrote on Jun 12, 2008 4:03 PM:

" I heard the city is going to change the slogan on the side of the garbage trucks to "The City of Safford, a great place to live, work and KICK A**" "




Tell us wrote on Jun 12, 2008 3:50 PM:

" Exactly. You made my point for me. The taxpayers are going to pay anyway so why not a lease? Either way you look at it, there will be some sort of payment. The development was willing to build it to the specifics of the city and county. Same thing will happen if the city/county goes to bond. it will just take years longer and the county is not able to go to bond right now "




Real Intelligence wrote on Jun 12, 2008 3:40 PM:

" Tell us, too bad your anger outweighs thinking in this matter. My background is in business. Personally, I believe if the gov't was run more like a business we'd be better off. I might get shot for saying that, but oh well. The "government experience" regarding bond elections is called reading the mail/notices that come to my PO Box. Pretty darn complicated there. Schools, cities, towns, businesses sell bonds ALL the time as a means of financing. And honestly, who else do you think pays for stuff in the gov't if not taxpayers? What other choices are there?????? Hmmm? THINK!!!!!!!! "




Heard the threat wrote on Jun 12, 2008 3:12 PM:

" Just cause the mayor is acting like a baby doesnt mean the rest of the council is going to vote against things — just for spite. Thats what the mayor does. and yes several other people heard the threat. Not gonna tell you who though cause teh mayor has a bad habit of trying to shut people up if he thinks they are not in his camp. "




Tell us wrote on Jun 12, 2008 3:09 PM:

" Well, I don't know. Can you tell us real intelligence cause you act like you have experience with the government. All I know is that we need a new jail, a new police department and a new city hall. Isnt likely were gonna get it from the federal and state governments. Sounds like we get a note from the bank and let the taxpayers pay for it or get a lease and let the taxpayers pay for it. Oh yeah. Big difference "




Real Intelligence wrote on Jun 12, 2008 1:34 PM:

" Smarter than you...when has a lease to own(in gov't property) EVER made more sense? No doubt that Safford can't afford to build all three buildings at one time, so you get financing...in other words a BOND election. Safford's residents should have the say in what is bought by THEIR city. We don't need or want Exeter in the middle of this. I don't fully understand Green's motives, but if even one ounce of his motivation was to protect Safford from a bad/shady deal from Exeter and Talley, I say THANKS! As for his "personal" issues...I don't know/care nothing 'bout that. "




Think about it cont. wrote on Jun 12, 2008 12:56 PM:

" to build if the community will pay just like here in Safford. So then he gets his "backer" Talley to file a lawsuit and they will get a settlement. Ask for $3million get $1 million not bad for not doing anything. And of Course Talley has a lawyer that will tell him up until it is time to go to court we are going to win. Talley gets a settlement, Wilmot gets his share, the lawyer his and everyone goes down the road whistling. No Safford will not be bankrupt. "




Think about it wrote on Jun 12, 2008 12:51 PM:

" I got a phone call from a neighbor all worried about the Talley lawsuit going tot bankrupt the city. Van Talley was on the city council long enough that he should know the city council and all other political groups have errors and ommisions insurance. These companies would rather pay off then go to court, it is cheaper for them in the long run. I am guessing that is what Talley is ounting on. Wilmot is not that well liked in the contractors commiunity in Maricopa county and he is known for saying he is going "




city council attendee wrote on Jun 12, 2008 12:10 PM:

" I was at the council meeting Monday and I did not hear Mayor Green threaten anyone. I did see Councilman Smith get his name sign and move down by his buddy Ortega. I assumed that we sat in rank of years on the council. To the left of the mayor was Smith, Ortega, Hancock then to the right was Malloque, Kouts and Foultz. Who came up with this story of kicking someone? Did anyone else hear it? I did notice that the vote on items was unanimous not the 4-2 of last year. "




True wrote on Jun 12, 2008 11:53 AM:

" Smarter than you - you have some very good points. At this point, wouldnt the city have take out a loan to build these? So, until the note was paid, the city wouldnt own the buildings. not much difference from a lease to own. Just the wording "




Time to speak wrote on Jun 12, 2008 11:02 AM:

" Mayor Green lost daily stop store after many years of not paying taxes and he is our mayor what a joke..... They walked in told him to get out and he walked away with the clothes on his back and he is lucky he got to keep them. Everything Mayor Green dose is self motivated. Action speak louder then words. His action have been seen way to often. We need a Mayor who has no ties to safford meaning don't own half of main street. TIME FOR NEW BEGINING. "




Smarter than you wrote on Jun 12, 2008 9:53 AM:

" As for the lease of perpetuity, it makes financial sense to lease to own the police station because Safford cannot afford to build a new police station, city hall, and fire station. If you want it all done, which is needed, than you think how to get it done instead of acting ignorantly about it. Lease to own means just that, you eventually own the building. When you buy a new car, not everyone can afford the entire price, so you get a loan and pay it off slowly with a little interest. Same with the police station. "




Smarter than you wrote on Jun 12, 2008 9:50 AM:

" To the misinformed person who is ruining Socrates' good name, Exeter's investors were run off by Mayor Green fiend. Green was all for the development until he learned Freeport McMoRan wanted to move there. Trust me, FMI is not very pleased with Green's actions. Green illegally attempted to strongarm other businesses Downtown to fight the development as well. All because he personnaly stood to have to work at getting new renters for his inherited properties. He is no business man and is afraid to try after failing so many times before. Plus, have you ever heard of lease to own? "




Flawed math wrote on Jun 12, 2008 9:25 AM:

" No, the mayor isnt against Exeter. He's against Van Talley, who was consulting for Exeter. Remember the mayor approved the project until he found out Talley was involved. Also, how in the world would a lease on one building pay for a 100 million project. Go back to school, were not stupid "




Socrates wrote on Jun 12, 2008 8:47 AM:

" Dear Plato: Your logic as always is absent. The Mayor is not against Exeter at all. He could buy his land tomorrow if he pleases and build buildings. The Mayor only questions whether the City of Safford should be the main lease tennant which then in all actuallity is what pays for the so called $100 million investment. Many taxpayers have questioned that idea and said it might be better for the city to buy its own land and pay for its own building and not have a landlord in perpetuity. That makes sense to me. "




Thatcher Guy wrote on Jun 12, 2008 7:30 AM:

" Wow, come on kids, play nice. Remember your running the largest city in Graham County, hope people don't think everything in Graham County is ran this way. "




Stop the madness wrote on Jun 12, 2008 7:12 AM:

" First of all, why would a person smear his own name, and secondly, surely you must have noticed his competition doing their fair amount of "smearing" as well??? "




Time to speak wrote on Jun 12, 2008 7:02 AM:

" Madness, When it comes to our Mayor who should be trustworthy...NOT, Thats your anwser? let it go.... No, it is about time everyone holds this man accountable for his actions. He acts as he is untouchable. Leadership by intimidation. Its just a matter of time and he will be costing the city of Safford millions. The law suits will happen because he did what he is accused of. The only reason you think it should not is because it might cost you. He needs to be stopped. There is no mud when it's the truth. "




Hollywood Writer wrote on Jun 12, 2008 5:45 AM:

" I just finished writing the screenplay for a new HORROR movie---here is the plot:

The Mayor of a small town is a blithering idiot. He subverts a huge new development because he fears it will take a few bucks out of his own pocket.

The voters re-elect him---many of them are from the same defective gene pool.

He gets sued by the developer---the town loses millions!

The soundtrack will have a lot of BANJO music---and bolo ties!

Not your typical HORROR MOVIE? IT WOULD BE IF YOU ACTUALLY LIVED THERE! "




Hicks wrote on Jun 11, 2008 10:25 PM:

" Larry Shiflet, apparently you too have your blinders on. And since you're no longer a Local resident, you have no grasp of the reality of your Beloved Mr. Green. Too bad you missed the scrap he started with Mr. Danny Smith before the Council meeting all over a stupid chair. "




Hicks wrote on Jun 11, 2008 10:23 PM:

" Mr. Danny Smith now that you have it on record that Mr. Green would kick your a?? You should report the crime of THREATENING to the Police.

Mr. Green needs to be held accountable for acting a fool in Public. So, let him. It's not too late. "




To Stop the Madness wrote on Jun 11, 2008 10:22 PM:

" There's one prime example of Ron Green carrying out a personal vendetta of his by having people who signed a petition to attempt to oust a person who held a position in a local business corporation - not a government elected position. WHAT KIND OF SENSE DOES THIS MAKE. He throws a temper tantrum if he doesn't get his way just like he did before the Council Meeting Monday Night. "




mudslinging fever wrote on Jun 11, 2008 10:03 PM:

" Did you feel this way when the mayor was smearing everybodys name but his own during the election? "




Stop the madness wrote on Jun 11, 2008 8:13 PM:

" You people- haven't you all had enough mudslinging? It just reminds me of why sometimes it is a real drag to live in a small town- everyone is into everyone else's business. LET IT GO! "




Investigate wrote on Jun 11, 2008 7:47 PM:

" What happen, What you read is what happened. If you have questions go straight to the source Danny Smith. "




What happened wrote on Jun 11, 2008 4:46 PM:

" Id like to get the real story on what happened to Danny Smith. If the mayor reacted about the seat switch like that then we have a worse problem than we thought. Anybody? "




hear about that wrote on Jun 11, 2008 4:43 PM:

" maybe he should resign before the guys in white coats have to come take him away. Mr. Green, I think one of the city employees is haveing a thought of their own. you better go control that "




hear about that wrote on Jun 11, 2008 4:42 PM:

" Yeah we heard about that. the mayor is loosing whatever marbles he once had "




cool wrote on Jun 11, 2008 4:40 PM:

" Did you know the mayor told Danny Smith he would kick his ••s three times before the council meeting this week? Yeah, seems Mr Smith had the nerve to sit in the same seat hes had for the past six years. Ronny just wanted to sit by his good buddy Ken Malloque "




see this wrote on Jun 11, 2008 4:36 PM:

" the mayor doesnt get along with
the city manager,
the utilities director,
the P&Z director,
the city clerk,
the police chief,
the fire chief
both former city attorney's
The rest of the employees exccept maybe two live in fear that he will target them next " "




see this wrote on Jun 11, 2008 4:35 PM:

" the mayor does get along with
the sheriff (his nephew)
thatcher town manager (his relative and the town is in litigation with safford)
the electric coop (who is in litigation with safford)
Who is he repressenting anyway because it sure isnt Safford "




Gunn wrote on Jun 11, 2008 10:54 AM:

" For all those saying that it's Safford residence fault that the city may be sued because they reelected Ron Green?? Do you really think that Tally would have not sued Safford if Green was not reelected. No the fact that Green was reelected has no bearing on if or when there will be a law suit, all the issues happened during his last term. The lawsuit is coming regardless of what idiot is mayor of Safford. "




Open your eyes wrote on Jun 11, 2008 10:26 AM:

" This is how it is done. When a mayor uses his position to prevent a development from coming in because he has a personal vendetta against someone, then the mayor and the city are sued. Too bad you guys voted in this crazy again "




Investigate wrote on Jun 11, 2008 9:32 AM:

" Larry Shiflet, Somtimes friendship can be blind because you want to believe your friend, Like love is blind. Keep your eyes open time will tell it all. "




Investigate wrote on Jun 11, 2008 7:05 AM:

" A new level of arrogance from "your Mayor Green.... Because of his desire to surround himself with the human shields of the newly elected "green groupies" at the council meetings...
The seat that the honorable Councilman Smith has sat in for nearly 6 years was given to one of the Mayors followers. When Councilman Smith challenged the seating arrangements the Mayor lied to him and blamed someone else for the seating arrangements...When councilman Smith informed the Mayor that this was not true and called him on his lie.. "Your" Mayor threatened to "Kick his a**" Another claim??? "




Larry Shiflet wrote on Jun 11, 2008 6:58 AM:

" As a one time Safford resident. Just want people to know that I have known Ron Green most of his life and have knowm him to be fair and honest. Not sure I can say the same about the Courier and their news staff. "




Pima wrote on Jun 11, 2008 12:13 AM:

" No one said Exeter/Talley couldn't do the development. No one but the developer. That's about how simple it is.
As for the lawsuit I personally never said there wouldn't be any. I just said it will not be won due to a Conflict Of Interst. The description of a conflict has not been met. Sorry but maybe the good Judge will explain it to you believers. It's all just personal and should not include the city. If Mr. Talley had not included the city he would have my blessings. But he did and that looks bad. "




Hicks wrote on Jun 10, 2008 10:48 PM:

" Old Safford Resident, you're right. The newspaper reports the facts & people get mad at the truth because the truth stepped on their toes. The newspaper, & people around town have discussed & reported on this for months now. People chose not to believe it. I know sometime ago, Green supporters lied when they said there wouldn't be any law suits. This prime example fits with the children's story "The Emperor's New Clothes". "




Plato wrote on Jun 10, 2008 10:36 PM:

" Let me get this straight---

The Mayor is AGAINST the company who is willing to make a $100 million investment in our community----to protect the downtown property owners who are letting their dilapidated buildings literally FALL DOWN because they are too CHEAP to fix them?

It would seem that a sitting Mayor has a responsiblity to do things that are in the BEST INTERESTS of the community he represents.

And---if he does not---an electorate has the responsibility to throw him out of office.

What on earth happened here? "




Business wrote on Jun 10, 2008 10:35 PM:

" If I were a consultant for a developer in a City like Safford, with a Mayor who owns property & has a conflict of interest & ran off my clients, I would sue too.

Happy Trails Mayor Green. Perhaps, Safford Citizens will WAKE UP & Pursue a RECALL or IMPEACHMENT of Mayor Green. On the Other hand, I don't know that Safford would want to trust Greenhorn Vice-Mayor Kouts, who is also in Green's hip pocket. By the picture in the Courier, one might wonder if Kouts was more than that to Green. "




Hicks wrote on Jun 10, 2008 10:27 PM:

" This article shouldn't surprise anyone. This is all public information since it is now an Official Court document & lawsuit filed right here at the Graham County Courthouse. "




Hicks wrote on Jun 10, 2008 10:26 PM:

" Let the Lawsuits begin. Safford, this is the beginning. More lawsuits to come.

You can Thank your re-elected Mayor for the increase in your payments you, your children & grandchildren will have to pay for. "




Attention wrote on Jun 10, 2008 10:23 PM:

" Many of you bloggers are surprised. Did you not read the articles in the newspaper since before the election that lawsuits were coming? Time limits had to be instituted and adhered to for those accused to respond. A claim letter was sent & many of you didn't believe it then. So, here you go Safford. As for Safford being dragged into this, give me a break, you know very well that GREEN drug Safford into this. You have yourselves & a Mayor to blame. You can Thank him for the millions of dollars you'll pay. "




Weary Reader wrote on Jun 10, 2008 10:23 PM:

" Its called *investment* folks, and just as with the stock market there are *no* guarantees of making a buck.

Real Estate *investment* is no different. Talley rolled the dice and lost. Now, like a spoiled child he's stamping his feet and demanding to be paid off to go away.

Real estate developments get shot down by cities all the time, its part of doing business. But only here in Safford can someone like Talley actually expect to bully the city into paying him a settlement to go away. "




Rocket Scientist wrote on Jun 10, 2008 10:23 PM:

" It serves the electorate right to have to pay for Ron's buffoonery.

Are higher taxes needed to pay for a legal settlement or a big judgement? So be it.

Maybe it will make an impression on those who voted for Ron because they knew someone in his family---or because they were comfortable voting for a "good old boy".

Or perhaps it will make an impression on those who just sat on the sidelines and did not bother to educate themselves about the candidates---or to vote.

"Eventually an electorate gets the representation it deserves." "




Brain Surgeon wrote on Jun 10, 2008 10:14 PM:

" I still can't believe that the community elected a person who was directly responsible for "throwing a wrench" into plans for a $100 million development. What a wonderful thing that would have been for all of us---jobs, retail, taxes and more.

Here was a company---Exeter---that was willing to make a big-time investment in our little community. Instead of a welcome---Exeter got "Goober" Green going around and doing everything in his power to subvert the project.

Very, very sad. Hopefully, there will be some justice in the court. "




Beware of Stupidity wrote on Jun 10, 2008 10:05 PM:

" Van Talley was a public servant who spent what---16 years on the city council and as Mayor?

Do you people not understand what a CONFLICT OF INTEREST is---and why it is illegal?

Or, as good old boys---do we just forget about a little thing like ILLEGALITY? A lawsuit is the proper way to seek damages if you have been harmed by someone.

And if any of you have actually READ the complaint---these witnesses are all pretty credible people.

A bunch of liars all taking payoffs under the table? I think NOT. "




To Concerned Cittizen wrote on Jun 10, 2008 9:42 PM:

" I have heard that somewhwere before. I guess that is the only requirement left to getting elected. You just have to be concerened. Facts and history are of no concern to a concerned citizen. "




bully wrote on Jun 10, 2008 9:39 PM:

" I guess Ron Green is done. I hope he does not destroy the city and bankrupt it before he resigns. Intimidation and threats are his way. I guess these folks did not like it. Green and Talley are the last two people that give a hoot about Green and Talley. "




Gunn wrote on Jun 10, 2008 7:52 PM:

" Hey Old Safford Resident, I noticed you do not mention what big city you now live in but if you let us know and give me 2 minutes to pull up the local paper we can discuss the child rapists, murderers, political corruptness, and homeless, list goes on. As far as talley goes the one nice thing about a small town if you disagree with him quit visiting his buisness down town, money is the only thing that drives him. "




Old Safford Resident wrote on Jun 10, 2008 1:30 PM:

" Well Ron Greens second term will be consumed with him defending his poor judgement. Safford residends will spend the rest of Greens term wondering why they had such poor judgement. The residents who did not vote will spend the rest of Greens terms wondering why they did not vote to put someone in who was qualified and not a Gomer. Oh well Mayberry (Safford) will still be the laughing stock of AZ. Glad I live in the big city where we lock up Otis. "




outside looking in wrote on Jun 10, 2008 12:26 PM:

" To Pima (not to be confused with Pima): Between newspaper articles, Safford City Council minutes; affidavits; and lawsuits - it's not that difficult to get witnesses & investors all mixed up. Since you are so smart, and use someone elses posting name to comment, where are your ethics - with Talley's? "




To Pima wrote on Jun 10, 2008 10:42 AM:

" "how orinigal" people speaking without having a clue as to what they are talking about- No where in this article does it name the "so called investors". As far as dragging Safford people into this- they're are called witnesses, it's hard to win a case without them. Not his fault the courier published names. What kind of Ethics do you have posting inaccurate information? "




Lifelong Pima Resident wrote on Jun 10, 2008 10:19 AM:

" As a former mayor, Talley should be more considerate of the City's status and not further add to it's recent loss of integrity. If he has a personal issue with Green, it should not be aired publicly dragging the City with them. Is it really just a point needing to be made, loss of $$$, public embarrassment over loss of a prominent deal or a power struggle that continues? Money doesn't buy respect, but it deludes you into thinking you deserve it. It's time to just move on to more important matters! "




Pima wrote on Jun 10, 2008 9:07 AM:

" Well at least we know now who some of the so called investors are. Mr. Talley drags more Safford folks into the mud with him. How original.
I also guess that the pay off to Owens Property for the kids club was not enough. Mr. Owens you should have asked for more $ if that's what you wanted. The previous Mayor and council certainly did not want to pay you anything over the years.
I bet the Postmaster General will be happy to hear about the Safford Post offices position on this. Ethics anyone ? "




Something to Talk About wrote on Jun 9, 2008 9:13 PM:

" Ok- let the comments begin! "




Concerned Citizen wrote on Jun 9, 2008 8:12 PM:

" If the former Mayor Van Talley, had real concerns about the residents of Safford, would there be a lawsuit? This is only going to cost the City of Safford money and in the long trickle down to the residents of Safford. "