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To Pima wrote on Oct 30, 2008 8:17 AM:

" When the time has come to say fare well to your Mayor Green i am sure you will know about it, then you can put your two cents in but until then I really do not care if you are or are not convinced.......... Pima Two you don't have a vote here in safford as you live in Pima. There for your opinions mean nothing either. "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:57 AM:

" Ok Time to Speak : it's time to put up. When is the first meeting of the RECALL committe?
The time is now unless you just crawled out from under a rock like all the Haters do during election times.
Let's see the details so we can get to the truth here on what the Will of the People actually is in Safford Arizona.
You convinced me and that was no easy task. But if the Will of the People has changed then you need to get the process started. "




Time to speak wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:41 PM:

" Correction You catch more flies with honey then vinegar. "




Time to speak wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:42 PM:

" Mayor Green has made things very difficult on past and present council........... I still believe there might be hope for Malloque and Hancock they have been very blind really wanting to believe the Mayor. Hope they pull it out before it is to late. There is no help for kouts he is a hopeless cause. He will never be re-elected............... Mayor has lied and has gotten people to believe those lies. He has work against city employee's instead of with them. You can kill more bee's with honey then vinegar. Sad time for history here in safford Arizona. "RECALL" "




Jeff wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:58 AM:

" The fact that this was even an issue shows how stupid Green is. It also shows how vindictive he is.

I, along with many others have finally figured him out. I would never support him again and wish he would resign so our community can move past this horrible time in Safford's history. "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:30 AM:

" I would be interested in seeing what the Will of the People is nowadays myself. Get it going folks so we can all see who the majority is actually behind these days.
I still do not understand why the previous City Council of Safford did not address the major issue before them when they had the chance.
I guess they felt a little more festering was the way to go. "




Tinkerbelle wrote on Oct 21, 2008 9:00 PM:

" To Time to Speak,
Joe the Plumber for Mayor is an even better idea. Good thinking! "




Time to speak wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:54 AM:

" Tinkerbelle great idea I'm In Joe the plumber for president....... Even Joe the plumber for Mayor. "




Tinkerbelle wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:00 PM:

" Joe the Plumber for President. And lets find a place in his cabinet for Jason Foutz, with an F, and Danny Smith, the Great and Richard Ortega, the Awesome "




Tinkerbelle wrote on Oct 20, 2008 9:56 PM:

" Joe the Plumber for President!!!!!!!!1 "




To PimaTwo wrote on Oct 20, 2008 9:54 PM:

" Don't worry, PimaTwo, I don't think anyone actually hates you. "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 20, 2008 1:08 PM:

" Yep looks good from here. Good luck with your problem there Joe. Investigate as for your 3 amigos on the council. Well you said it all. You were around before and during the last election. So thanks for all you do here. Keep it comin. "




Investigate wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:12 AM:

" To Pima Two, Or would that be Peema pants..... Good jod Joe the plumber we all needed a good laugh. You know when you assume what that means. Danny Smith would not lower him self to your level.... Mr.Smith, Mr.Ortega, and Mr.Fouts are the only one's on the council with some professionalism. "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 19, 2008 8:38 PM:

" P.S. I wish I was still a Yutt. But that was years ago. HaHaHaHaHA LOL! "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 19, 2008 8:36 PM:

" Like I said before. You can all do whatever you all want. Call me anything you all want. I know who I am and you know who you are. Please don't hate me for simple comments on a blog.
Good work Joe on actually doing something like finding your own meaning for something. Even a word is a good start. And Joe the last one to call me angry on this blogg was Mr Smith of the City Council. What gives? "




To Pima 3 wrote on Oct 19, 2008 9:36 AM:

" Aparently you care. I didn't see you commenting on anything else. "




Pima 3 wrote on Oct 18, 2008 10:57 PM:

" Who Cares "




joe the plumber wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:01 PM:

" Hey everybody I found the definition of the word "YUT" or "YUTT"
It is in the Dr. Seuss book of idealogcal deffinitions. It means "Angry ignoramous" or "bone stupid bozo" or Newly elected Safford Council and Mayor... and in the footnotes it references "Pima two" but there is no mention of the person he refferred to as one. Go figgure, just another example of the big green pot calling the green groupies kettle green. "




To PimaTwo The Yutt wrote on Oct 18, 2008 10:05 AM:

" PimaTwo, since you are unwilling to give us a simple definition of "Yutt" or "Yuut" then maybe you don't mind being called one. I won't be watching a movie to try and determine YOUR meaning when you commented on Granny Goose' comment of Oct. 10th. She was giving an eye witness account of Ron Green's horrible behavior in thriftee mkt and you seemed to be on attack with strange name calling. You were wanting to know who the other party was and you were calling this person whom you did not know a name. "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 18, 2008 6:51 AM:

" To all the ImConfused out there, watch the movie "My Cousin Vinnie". Maybe that will help in your confused state. I still think you all need to get out more and yes in the blog world everyone get's to be right all the time. The info is only as correct as you can make it.
Oh and To Pima To what an original name that is (NOT). Mr Chong better go take another hit bro. You seem to need it! "




Chong wrote on Oct 17, 2008 5:54 PM:

" To Pima Two, are you the Mayor of Safford? The reason I ask, you use the same rules.
Rule # 1 Pima two is always right.
rule # 2 when wrong, see rule # 1
Try real hard, and just answer the Question, What is a YUTT or YUUT?????
Are you a yutt? Or Saffords very own Wizzard of Oz? "




To PimaTwo wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:15 AM:

" I get out plenty. No, PimaTwo, changing the spelling did not help. Is it so hard for you to give the definition and make your meaning clear? Are you ashamed or embarrassed for having used the term or name or whatever it is? I am not confused about anything other than what you were trying to say using "Yut" or "Yuut". Can you enlighten us? Why blog if you don't want to make your comments understood? "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 17, 2008 7:22 AM:

" Ok To Pima To: You can do whatever you want. Why care so much? Does it bother you that much? Sorry I might have spelled the word wrong. It should have been Yuut. Does that help some now?
I still like the ImConfused name for you better though. It is my opinion that this name just seeems to fit you. You really should get out more often. "




Investigate wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:14 PM:

" Thank you granny goose, that is a shame that the Mayor can not control his temper. Do you happen to know what made the mayor so angry to make a scene like that? That is just so unprofessional. "




want to know wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:07 PM:

" Was the young man Pat? or Chris? "




To Thatcher Resident wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:24 PM:

" Sorry to burst your bubble. Thatcher has it's share of drama. Thatcher's town council has it's share of problematic councilors. "




To PimaTwo wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:17 PM:

" I do have my own name, thank you. I am addressing my comments to you. The only thing I am confused about is what a "Yutt" is. You aparaently just made up the name or you don't want to tell what it is.
Your comment after Granny Goose's blog sounds condensending. For all we know, a Yutt is a lying sack of c---p. In trying to understand the meaning of your comments I have to know what a "yutt" is. Why blog if you if your meanings are unclear? "




Granny Goose wrote on Oct 16, 2008 6:47 PM:

" well it took us a while but, my husband found out who the young man was that our Mayor Ronald Green was belittling with his abbusive language and appauling behavior.This poor young gentleman is the son of a respected long time business owner Dave Murphy of Richard Music Store. As a long time resident myself, when we see him again we will offer an apoligy on behalf of the good people of Safford, just to let him know all of Saffords people arent like Ronald Green "




JARAM wrote on Oct 16, 2008 6:07 PM:

" Ms. STaten and Mr Johnson How do you keep your Cool? I for one know you have a job to do and that you are doing it. "




Time to speak wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:43 PM:

" Pima Two. To Pima to sounds to me as they were addressing you and did not put their name in. "




Thatcher Resident wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:26 AM:

" Pima Two- off the subject of the article but evidently there was nothing illegal with the bid process, seems a new bid was awarded and construction is underway. Good job Thatcher-- a good example of good goverment at work. "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:36 AM:

" To Pima To: Can't you come up with your own name? Something snappy. But don't use so many of my letters.
Maybe: ImConfused will work for you.

And to Thatcher Resident your own City Manager opened a SEALED bid for a project (Illegal) but in a honest way. I'm glad you live there too. "




Thatcher Resident wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:42 AM:

" After reading all of these blogs, it makes me proud to live in Thatcher where things are ran on the up and up by an honest council. "




To PIma To wrote on Oct 16, 2008 7:36 AM:

" Yes Pima to, We do know what we can do , We do not need your approval. We also have the right to vent thanks to Aimee and John. But every time we come on here with a comment there you are basically telling us to stop venting and do something about it. Well guess what we are doing something about it and when the time is right you will know about it. If you don't like what you read then you know what to do.......... "




To PimaTwo wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:54 PM:

" I don't think anyone here has disputed that Ron Green, the Mayor runs the council meetings. But thank you for pointing out the obvious. What many comment on is his behavior and actions. I still would like to know what a "Yutt" is. It is not in my dictionary. "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:44 AM:

" Unfortunatley for some of you here, Yes the Mayor does run the Council Meetings. Sorry but he was elected and he runs the meetings. It has always been this way folks. Even before Ron Green was elected Mayor. Don't like the Mayor you know what to do or what your options are. You should not let your hate for Mayor Green cloud your knowledge of civic procedures.
You sound silly sometimes with the nit pick stuff that is written. Give and Opinion not so much your try at the evidence. "




To PimaTwo wrote on Oct 14, 2008 12:53 PM:

" Again, I ask you what is a "Yutt". Is this a negative or a positive name? "




Ron will let you know wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:31 AM:

" The answer to "How do we ask questions at a council meeting?" is simple. You think of your question before you listen to a 3 hour council meeting and then Ron will let you know if you can ask a question at the end of the meeting. It does not matter what the agenda says about filling out a request to speak before the meeting. Be assurred, Ron will let you know if you are allowed to speak. "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:17 AM:

" Still no name or what was even said or Heard? You would think that something so bad would be in the paper for all to make their own judgments on wouldn't you? I'm not denying it happened just want to know what was said maybe to start this off. You can leave out the bad words if you like but did you ever think that this Yutt might have said something wrong themselves? "




To PimaTwo wrote on Oct 13, 2008 9:27 PM:

" I don't know what you read but I know what I read of Granny's Goose' comment. She wasn't talking about something that she HEARD she was talking about something she was a WITNESS to. And what is a "Yutt"? I found her comments quite interesting and she was not the only person who has spoken about the incident and was a witness to it. It seems Ron Green gave an exposition of his bad temper and foul mouth for all to hear. It also speaks of his lack of self control and self respect. "




To Granny Goose wrote on Oct 13, 2008 8:56 PM:

" I was not there but heard about the incident from someone who witnessed it. His account was pretty much like your account of the situation. I am appalled at this type of behavior from a grown man who is supposed to be a leader in our community. For Ron Green to act in such a way in public I have to conclude that there is something wrong with that man. "




to the truth.... wrote on Oct 13, 2008 5:37 PM:

" "Many of the couriers reporters move on to better things", you said.

Yeah, you are right, last year one went to prison for child molesting.

And I will agree, that is better than living in Safford!!! "




Whats up wrote on Oct 13, 2008 2:10 PM:

" What is up with the the Thriftee yelling scene. Anybody know what that was about? "




Yes it did wrote on Oct 13, 2008 11:37 AM:

" Yes I was in Thriftee as well and can say the scene was not very pretty. The Mayor was yelling and his mouth was full of vulgarity. There were about 20 to 25 people who saw his temper. I was embarassed for the young man the Mayor was screaming at. "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 12, 2008 9:25 AM:

" Well Granny:
What was it that you heard? Or who was the yutt that you are refering to? Inquiring minds want to know. If you name the yutt we can all get ahold of this yutt and find out what was said. That is assuming you withhold the information from us.
Come on sonder on up and fill us in. "




Granny Goose wrote on Oct 10, 2008 6:06 PM:

" I was witness to the Mayor of Safford, Ronald Green doing the unthinkable. While shopping at the local grocery store( Thriftees Market) Ronald was yelling at a young man over some political questioning he asked. The young gentleman was getting embarassed over the incident and tried to leave. Ronald followed him out the door to the parking lot still yelling and pointing his finger at beligered victim of verbal abuse. Iwas ashamed at his actions as were the rest of the witinesses. If i was his mother agood spanking and bar soap mouthwash would of been in order. "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:56 AM:

" It's so sad that a few of you folks just don't get it. If you don't like it you know what to do. What else do i have to say.
If the mayor is not telling the truth it is either your opinion or not a lie. How does everyone know which is which. Certainly not because a blogger says so. blogging is only opinion.
I also find it hard to believe the Interm City Attorney is not present at all the council meetings.
Your all just used to local yocal attorneys I guess. "




Time to speak wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:25 PM:

" Pima Two, But he don't need to lie about it....................... "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:30 AM:

" Time to speak:
Sounds like a system issue to me. Don't forget that the Mayor is in charge of the council meeting. Like it or not he was elected and will now be in charge of all the council meetings until he is gone. The Mayor has the authiority to allow or dis-allow anyone to speak on any subject as he see's fit. That's how it is in Az. Other city's do the same. As usual "Don't like it you know what to do". "




Time to speak wrote on Oct 6, 2008 5:37 PM:

" Pima Two , I am talking City Manager not "CITY ATTORNEY" We do not and have not had An Attorney sitting in on council meetings since Johnny Guthrie....... That's why we don't have A City Attorney they would be telling Ron everything he is doing wrong and he don't want to hear That. Interim City Attorney is only here when he has to be. Ron will keep it that way as long as possible. Just ask him..... I am not sure where you were going with your comments. Hope I clarified what I meant. "




Time to speak wrote on Oct 6, 2008 3:17 PM:

" Pima Two, Yes he has Stopped people from speaking..... Example One person's (Women) slip was conveniently lost.she left the meeting after she left it was conveniently found. Councilman Ortega was out of town left a letter to be read the Mayor refused to read it. Sooooo Yes there is reason for concern. The city Manager might tell him he is out of line that "BUT" don't mean the Mayor is gonna listen.... He does what he wants. It is A proven fact. "




Time to speak wrote on Oct 6, 2008 3:05 PM:

" Pima Two, I agree with you and no I don't like it and yes I am working on it. Maybe you need to re-read what I wrote..... I said I hope he listens to our new city Manager "I HOPE" and I also "HOPE" he allows him to do his job. To me I am Glad the new City Manager is an outsider, I believe when there outsider's they will do a much better job then someone that has lived here all their life. They are more open minded. "NO PERSONAL AGENDA"S". My opinion. "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 6, 2008 6:45 AM:

" Time to Speak:
I am confident that if the present Mayor was actually blocking any legit playing by the rules citizens from speaking at council meetings, that the present interm city attorney would advise him that he was in error. Has this happened? The present attorney is not a local yocal and that seems to make alot of folks nevous. everyone needs to play by the rules. Fill out the card and speak your peace.
Everyone simply needs to follow the will of the people. The mayor was re-elected. Don't like it you know what to do. "




One more wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:20 AM:

" Don't forget Keri Lunt! She's good too. "




Time to speak wrote on Oct 5, 2008 4:28 PM:

" How do you ask questions at the council meetings. Ask the Mayor if he likes you or you are going to be dogging one of his enemies he will allow you to speak. The Mayor has made it to where he is in total control and has lost site of what his job really is. If he does not get recalled there is no way in heck that he will be re-elected. I sure hope he allows are new city manger to do his job. Ron you need to "LISTEN" to the new city manager. He knows best! "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 2, 2008 1:28 PM:

" Ok Truth:
But I am only running on what I see and read. I don't hang around with many Safford folks in my everyday life so if that's what you say, I have no reason to doubt you. I will just have to wait until the positions and or winners are posted. Just because I don't subscribe to the Courier doesn't mean I'm without the ability to read it regularly.
What you say about Mr. Johnson and the Exeter Scandal tells all. I don't believe there are any winners in the scandal even the Courier reporters. "




Fear the Wraith wrote on Oct 2, 2008 9:34 AM:

" To Puuhlease, you said; "answering for ones own actions and decidsions in front of the public" the council meetings are after working hours, posted in advance, and open to the public. In other words, the council already answers to the public. They just withdrew the courtesy of a Call to the Press. The newspaper folk can sit and LISTEN or ask for clarification of a council member after the meeting. "




The Truth wrote on Oct 2, 2008 9:27 AM:

" You should be thankful these fine reporters choose to stay here in the Valley for a variety of reasons. "




Real wrote on Oct 2, 2008 9:24 AM:

" Why do you think the mayor pulled the call to the press? Because of tough questions. Just because you won't wait through the executive session until the council comes back into open session doesn't mean the Courier reporters don't. Ask Hancock himself, he'll tell you why. The reporters at the Courier do an award-winning job and the community should be thankful we have such upstanding individuals facing the corruption and deceit that spews out of City Hall, namely the mayor and a few "crazy" councilors. And Malloque, you should stop listening to your wacko wife. "




The truth wrote on Oct 2, 2008 9:20 AM:

" PimaTwo, you have absolutely no idea who is courting the Courier's reporters. Why speak about something you are totally ignorant on? The fact is many of the Courier's reporters move on to bigger markets. I can think of five in the past five years in fact. Diane Saunders is a 30-year-plus veteran, Brian Wright is a very good up and coming sports writer, Aimee Staten has been offered several jobs and the newest, Jon Johnson, has already been nominated for an award by the Arizona Newspapers Association for his coverage of the Mayor and Exeter scandal. "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 2, 2008 9:12 AM:

" Responding To Pima Two as PimaTwo:
You made my point exactly. It's not Bias it's Buisness.
No one wants to loose their job and these Courior Editor/Reporters are not being courted by any other agencies?(Well except that last one that was courted by the police.) They can still ask questions just like they did before. Come on ask tough questions then report what is replied. Do the public a favor. Otherwise the public will get it's info from other sources. The public is not dumb unlike what some on this blog seem to say. "




To Pimatwo wrote on Oct 1, 2008 8:35 PM:

" I notice that you said that neither Jon Johnson or Aimee Staten have asked "tough" questions at any of the council meetings that you have attended. Is asking "tough" questions the prerequisite for being considered legitimate media and using the call to Press? Would you prefer that they ask tough questions or would they be bashed for that to? I think the courier staff does a good job in a sometimes hostile environment. They are careful and thoughtful in their reporting and I have not ever seen bias. One of Ron's Illusions is claiming press bias. "




Ask and You Shall... wrote on Oct 1, 2008 3:11 PM:

" Didn't you people vote for this guy? I mean, he was elected, not appointed to office, wasn't he?

You elected as mayor someone who refused to debate Van Talley because Van had too much experience and would be better equipped to debate the issues. You knew this guy wasn't the sharpest knife in the block, and you voted for him anyway. Deal with it, and put up a viable contender at the next election.

Or, vote him out of office. It really is as simple as that. It is YOUR city government, not HIS. "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 1, 2008 2:50 PM:

" Jon Johnson has never asked a tough question at a couincil meeting while i was in attendance.
Aimee Staten has also never asked a tough querstion while i was in attendance. Neither one of these reporters have used the Call to Press or otherwise while i have been in attendance. This is my opinion and i'm stickin to it. "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 1, 2008 2:44 PM:

" The bottom line is that the Mayor and City Manager own the Agenda. The attorney will supply input but does not really own the agenda. If your between managers it's like being between attorneys, except the attorney keeps the agenda legal as it was, and still is.
I am confident that Mr. Simms as the interim city attorney will not let Safford Az get into any actual legal trouble during his watch. He is a true Municipal Attorney and a professional at that. Mr Simms would have to much to loose unlike his predecessors. "




Befuddled wrote on Oct 1, 2008 2:30 PM:

" RECALL THE MAYOR............. WE WILL SAVE MONEY IN LAW SUITS.......... "




watchdog wrote on Oct 1, 2008 11:45 AM:

" Mayor Green has been able to manipulate the past council and city manager as well as the city attorney. When are the citizens of Safford going to realize that the mayor is the problem. The media is our watchdog for those that do not have the time to attend council meetings. "An autocratic city government is not a democratic government." Stay the course, Courier, for you are our eyes and ears at council meetings. "




In the know wrote on Oct 1, 2008 11:29 AM:

" Mr. or Mrs. Hypocrisy, in the articles you mentioned about the shooting at the trailer park and the ambulance crash, information was given to the Courier by an official source, i.e. the sheriff or DPS lead investigator repectively. Council meetings are, on the other hand, covered directly by the reporter who records the entire meeting to get his quotes and facts. If you listened to the council members over and over you would probably realize the Courier reporter is more accurate than anyone else in the state! "




Fact wrote on Oct 1, 2008 11:21 AM:

" To Hypocracy, here's news for you. I asked Green about the article about him doing away with the call the the press and he said it was accurate. I guess there goes all the air out of your balloon. "




Safford Gal wrote on Oct 1, 2008 9:56 AM:

" Aimee and Jon just need to keep up the good job of exposing the corruption at city hall. Green is NOT a leader, he's a proven liar. Just ask Sims! "




Hypocrisy wrote on Oct 1, 2008 9:52 AM:

" To Right On - I was just teasin' with ya about the his/her thing...sometimes you need to laugh!!! :) The postings can get a little too intense...(And also to show that bias exists everywhere, we just don't always notice it...I'm not knockin' ya personally, so please don't be offended with my next comment) It was biased to assume that the comment I posted was made by a man...just like it's biased to assume that because I understand or agree with something Mayor Green did, that I a "supporter" or "ignorant". We ALL could use our critical thinking skills a littlemore!!! "




Jasper wrote on Oct 1, 2008 9:48 AM:

" When is Safford going to wake up to the illegal and unethical behavior of Green. It causes me to remember an old child's saying. You all remember "liar liar pants on fire". Oops, I forgot, it's not a lie if your wearing a bola tie and cowboy costume! "




Hypocrisy wrote on Oct 1, 2008 9:46 AM:

" Both articles clearly contained misinformation reported as fact by the Courier. In actuality, the motivation for writing my posts is NOT because I am a Green supporter, it is because I think that media today has some serious issues. It's more like "the gospel according to the Courier or CNN or MSNBC" nowadays. In my opinion, truth has very little to do with what's reported. It's about sensationalism or personal/community/organizational bias or just plain power tripping. I could go on further on pointing out the crediblity flaws of the Courier, but only 100 words are allowed per post. Amen!!! "




Jasper wrote on Oct 1, 2008 9:44 AM:

" The whole idea is Green doesn't want anyone to know what's really going on. It sure looks to me Sims called the Mayor a liar. How sad! Maybe Green needs to fire Sims too. "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 1, 2008 9:42 AM:

" I have asked before why the Courior does not report more of what actually happens and what is actualy said. The response from Mr. Johnson was they don't have enough room. I accept that but it is still their (the Courior Staff) decsion what to print and what questions to ask and to whom.
I won't call it bias just buisness. It's my decsion (buisness) to not purchase the Courior. I get more than i need from the online edition. "




Hypocrisy wrote on Oct 1, 2008 9:40 AM:

" Just for those who didn't clearly read my posts and just read what they wanted to believe...I put in my post on 9/27 that I MAY NOT AGREE WITH IT (meaning Green's actions). And as for the bias not happening...you just proved my point for me. The bias is that because I have a dissenting opinion on this article that I am A)a Green supporter and B)ignorant. Since I know that I am neither, I just have to sit back and laugh. Look at the articles on the man who "shot a child" and the "ambulance" article.(con't in next post) "




PimaTwo wrote on Oct 1, 2008 9:32 AM:

" To all bloggers:
When you personally badmounth someone on the blog you loose all crediability. Like Ms. Staton is bias or Mayor Green is Dirty. Sorry if i have done this in the past but i have tried not to.
It's not illegal to remove the Call to Press from the agenda. Frankly the City of Saffords Agenda and other public records processes appear to be out of order. That's what i mean by 21st century. I vote to put the Council Meeting on the website live and then more people can participate. "




A former editors opinion wrote on Sep 30, 2008 11:55 PM:

" It's funny to see the three Green supporters claim they are so shocked when their slanderous comments against the Courier are allowed on its Web site. Aren't they contradicting themselves when they claim a bias. What bias? Why would anyone at the Courier be biased against Green? You people are simply crazy people who don't want to hear the facts. Give one, just one example of the newspaper being biased, because frankly, as a former editor myself, I think they have been much too kind to Green, and I wish they would take the gloves off with the info theyhave. "




To Hypocrisy - RIGHT ON wrote on Sep 30, 2008 11:50 PM:

" I was also surprised that my posting got put on. I remember when televising the council meetings (on Cable-One), was on the agenda and only the Mayor and one other Council Member supported it. Let's give the Mayor credit (Aimee won't), it is the bias from the Courier that the Mayor and the other new members are against. The public want and deserve factual reporting or better yet, let them see it on television. Sorry about the "his". "




Chong wrote on Sep 30, 2008 11:40 PM:

" green Witheld information from the press, not just the Courier. if you have ever been to a council meeting the radio reporters also attend.So dont point fingers at the Courier because they reported it first. "




Puuhlease wrote on Sep 30, 2008 10:23 PM:

" To "Fear the Wraith" what's with the name? By the way, the council meetings are on cable, Valley Telecom, but I think only about 200 people in Safford have it. The question is not about going over what is said in open session, the question is about answering for ones own actions and decidsions in front of the public. If I voted for the electric agreement, I better darn sure be able to say why I did when the people I represent ask. If I was on the council, which I'm not. "




I support a free press wrote on Sep 30, 2008 10:16 PM:

" You know this sounds a lot like old Russia where the press was ran by those in power. Yes the press deserves more access to the council than your average Joe Schmoe because they reach the masses and let them know what's going on. This is exactly what Green is trying to accomplish. If he can't run the newspaper, he will try to silence them. Don't go for it Courier. Continue to fight the good fight no matter how many bitter and wrongly informed people try to silence you. "




Pitiful wrote on Sep 30, 2008 10:12 PM:

" This has absolutely nothing about your ignorant uniformed talk of a bias. Do you even read the newspaper? My gosh people, you sound like you wouldn't know the answer to 2+2. This is really about the council, especially Green, not having to answer to their own actions. As soon as Jon started asking some tough questions, all of a sudden they say you can't aske questions anymore. By the way, are you trying to say that because department heads don't live in Safford the Courier shouldn't be able to report on the meetings? I can't believe you even know howtoworkacomputer. "




Hypocrisy wrote on Sep 30, 2008 7:43 PM:

" Thanks for the compliment...but "his" post is actually a "her" post. ;) I'm pleasantly surprised the comment actually got through...so in honor of Right On...I will add, "What goes around comes around!!" I'm also quite curious how the Courier is justifying this article by saying it's the good of the public, when I'm not sure that any of the staff actually live in Safford to begin with. Doesn't that exclude them as being part of the Safford "public" directly affected by Safford's Council? Just an errant thought...but I smell alterior (sp?) motives in regards to this article... "




To Pimatwo wrote on Sep 30, 2008 7:38 PM:

" You think this latest stunt means the city council is operating in the 21 century? This is a huge jump backwards. And not everyone can or wants to go to the council meetings. Every citizen of Saford should be able to read in our local paper about these meetings. And Ron Green lying about it is very troubling. "




Befuddled wrote on Sep 30, 2008 7:34 PM:

" TO RIGHT ON HYPOCRISY, The Council did not implement the change the mayor did...... Jerry Hancock knew about it because he was at the meeting at the hospital cafeteria. It needs to be brought to a vote by all. The Mayor don't like the courier because he don't like the truth being told. Shame on the Mayor if he would learn to tell the truth he would have nothing to worry about. Three council members and Mayor lied to the citizens to get into office. Fool us once but not twice.... "




To Hypocracy and Right on Hypocracy wrote on Sep 30, 2008 7:32 PM:

" If you don't like what has been reported about your guys on the council then you just don't want to know. There has been no bias. There is no need for it. These guys are so ridiculous that they make themselves look bad all by themselves. As a careful and watchful person, I can tell you that what has been written in the paper is accurate. The truth is much more interesting that anything that coud be fabricated or shown in a different light. The Courier has been truthful, accurate and unbiased. "




Tinkerbelle wrote on Sep 30, 2008 7:22 PM:

" To Just my opinion,
No, not "everybody knows" what you were saying. Not "everybody" thinks like you do. I haven't seen anything reported that has been put in a negative light and I have not seen any grandstanding of Jon's, so called favorites. Also, didn't your illustious Mayor make a rule that no one can talk to the council members except through him? What kind of bull is that? And your little dig at the end of your blog.. No one eats with me on Monday. Nice try. "




Fear the Wraith wrote on Sep 30, 2008 7:15 PM:

" Look, just put the council meetings on cable TV and let the Courier watch the meetings as many times as their pointed little hearts wish. Its even easier to put the council meetings on a webcast and go interactive with the community in real time.

Besides, Call to the Press was a courtesy to the press. Unfortunately, the local newspaper exercised its bias once too often and lost the privilege. Nothing wrong with that Danny. "




PimaTwo wrote on Sep 30, 2008 5:16 PM:

" This is too funny. The Safford City Council finally starts operating in the 21st century and wham everyone is against the progress. Didn't everyone see this coming? Time moves on folks and so will the City of Safford.
If you go to a city council meeting you should watch and learn what's going on. Don't just sit there and hate the members on the council. Watch and learn how items are moving. Watch who is speaking and to whom. If you don't you won't learn nothin! You might even answer your own questions. "




RIGHT ON HYPOCRISY wrote on Sep 30, 2008 3:09 PM:

" If the Courier would not be as bias, the council would not had found it necessary to implement the change. It is so obvious that a spin is alway put against the new council members. "Hypocrisy" could not have said it better with his posting, maybe only to add, "what goes around comes around." Think about it Aimee, you beat up on those council members that were voted in by the public to bring change. Does not serve your public image well Aimee, not at all. Give it up and try serving the public instead. "




A better opinion wrote on Sep 30, 2008 10:31 AM:

" "Just my opinon" you sound like one of the councilors crying because he didn't get his name in the paper for giving little Suzie an award for having the best coloring in kindergarten. The council likes to have three hour executive sessions and then vote for groundbreaking legislation that has been up in the air for 70 years without any discussion in open session why they did what they did. Where is the openess in government. Green going back on his word again. He says he wants transparency in the council and then he hides in e-session. "




Hypocrisy wrote on Sep 30, 2008 9:47 AM:

" Isn't this article a little like the pot calling the kettle black? For a "news" organization, you sure do seem to pick and choose what you cover pretty selectively...it's no surprise to me that the city gov't would choose to be equally selective with you [the Courier]. This is a two way street here. You have interjected your bias on one too many occasions and are now reaping what you have sown. I may not agree with it, but I understand it. Think McCain and CNN...you talk too much trash, you aren't going to get much cooperation in return. "




Nixon wrote on Sep 30, 2008 8:26 AM:

" This is but the latest from our Honorable Mayor and council. They have called staff liars and thieves, brought 10+ million dollars of lawsuits down on the city, stated openly that they don't want any development, given away land, sold us down the river to the co-op, bent over for Thatcher, intimidated anyone who opposes them, engaged in personal vendettas and on and on. Kouts has several lawsuits against him from Sears and Homeland bank. Seems he doesn't pay his bills either. Only a matter of time until these idiots bankrupt the city. "




Green is no longer Clean wrote on Sep 30, 2008 8:00 AM:

" Anyone remember the mayor's calls for openness in local government way back in 2002? I do. "




Just my opinion wrote on Sep 30, 2008 7:42 AM:

" Oh come on Tink everybody knows that the press uses this time to get ALL the opinions, and make it look bad, in a negative light, and "grand stand" Jon's "favorites" (Danny and Richard). It is wise to wait until the next day, and put out a statement of the action voted on in E-session. I think Mayor is being wise, and looking out for the people, who always get the news in a negative opinion, by one man! If you want one of the council's opinions, GO ASK THEM! Other one's who don't go to eat with youeveryMonday! "




PimaTwo wrote on Sep 29, 2008 6:32 PM:

" Well let's see. You fill out a Request to Speak Card and ask your questions when that agenda item comes up just like everybody else. Why does the media think they are above the regular citizens. A good reporter will still be able to do their job.
Of course they will have to have questions ahead of time like before the meeting starts. And they have to ask the question thru the Mayor not directly to the specific individual. I'm guessin they won't like that much either. To much animosity between the parties especially since the last election. "




Tinkerbelle wrote on Sep 29, 2008 1:08 PM:

" Hey, what happened to open honest government? Where does Ron Green get off preventing the call to the Press? He should be quite embarrassed by getting caught in a big lie. "