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LDS Man wrote on Jan 4, 2009 3:46 PM:

" Oh please Shaesca, it's not like opening a Kentucky Fried Chicken in China where they would change the familiar menu to suit the tastes of that foreign country. Just because there is a large number of LDS in Thatcher and the hotel and restaurant are LDS owned doesn't mean they both don't have to follow their franchise rules. When you make ridiculous statements like that any argument loses all credibility. Have you ever stayed at a Marriot before? They still offer booze and dirty movies for customers who want that sort of stuff. "




Shaesca wrote on Jan 4, 2009 1:14 PM:

" Oh Blogger, I do like the way you think. The minutes should also, of course, be posted in the BOS meeting agenda as well. Court House door?...I'm not feeling very "Lutheran" this early in the year. Bashas is a good idea and I would like coffee at Denny's. Do they even allow coffee there? I was told you could only go there if you were Mormon...What do you think? Surely it is a rumor...then again, maybe not. Anyone else???? "




Blogger wrote on Jan 3, 2009 3:13 PM:

" Yes,
Good naturedly..if we would have posted an interest in an oversite committee when this article was first posted, we might get a better response.
Still, let's give it a week..
Hey, maybe put a note up at Basha's?
Would be nice to see some sign of community vitality. Once a month, voice your interest..take the minutes of the meeting to the Board of Supervisors. Or ha! Like Luther did in the Reformation post 'em on the Court house door...
Oh, meet at the new Denny's to show our ideas are new too? "




Shaesca wrote on Jan 3, 2009 12:49 PM:

" To Fellow Blogger...I'm surprised even one person responded to my post...Good for you! I would love to meet you for coffee. Lets see if any others want to join us first. I think at least six would be a good starting point. We'll hope for the best...Thanks for caring and daring. "




Follow Blogger wrote on Jan 3, 2009 10:51 AM:

" Sure, I'm interested in getting involved.
I helped work one of the Clinton campaigns when I was in California. I'm all for social change and managed growth. Just the sight of all those cotton farmers selling their land to the top bidder and houses everywhere. Yet, no real manufacturing base, ect. One day Gila Valley will look like every other cookie cutter town if some people don't take an interest.
Count me in; I'll finally be able to put my Management degree to work.
Wanna meet for coffee? "




It doesnt matter who wrote on Jan 2, 2009 4:12 PM:

" runs for office in this county, the same "good old boy" regime will be voted right back in. It sickens me, angers me and frustrates me. But all of those emotions do nothing to fix the problems of this area. Those who truly want change are going to have to band together, stand behind candidates who really will do something for the better. The time to start is now. How many are interested? I'll set up a meeting place, date and time...just let me know on this blog. It can be done. Shaesca "




To Just Another Voter wrote on Jan 2, 2009 1:58 PM:

" Yes, I see your logic. Before the elections , I fired off an angry e-mail;" Get Out of the Office and Look at the Conditions, of the Rural Area." Of Course, nothing. I work the polls; I pay my property taxes, obey the laws of a civilized country.
Now, refresh my memory what started the French Revolution? Did it have anything to do with the apathy of officals in power?
After I sue county for $50,000 for neglect from this out of town attorney
I hired.
Justice must be done. "




To You Are Right wrote on Jan 2, 2009 1:47 PM:

" Thanks for the friendly post. And curious you mention decisions are made in the bishops chambers first...This has been going on for 8 years. Like I mentioned to Mr. Johnson the reporter for the Courier." Can you imagine if this outhouse was located next door to Judge Holt's house? All heck would have broke loose years ago. Ha! But nooooo..I stare out my kitchen window and see it everyday. It's been a month! Three year ago, they said"we'll get her a grant.." Never happened. I want the state involved, the Feds, the county does nothing.. "




Just another voter. wrote on Jan 2, 2009 8:09 AM:

" “County’s septic system policy questioned” is located under “Opinion”, “Letters” of this Website.
The court case mentioned in the letter was brought by Graham County against the property owner. There was no “Law” implemented requiring a septic system before electrical power would be supplied. It was a policy that made sense to the County Departments at the time. During the trial Mr. Karnes made it clear that Outhouses are NOT allowed in Graham County. Of course that was in 1995 maybe today things have changed?
The time for you to do something has come and gone with the last election. "




You are right wrote on Jan 1, 2009 12:54 PM:

" To Well...The county really does do nothing. I missed the article about the law suit. How can laws not be enforced? It seems there is a lot of "selective enforcement" and selective road maintenance in this county. Again, it is shameful the way county government is handled in this area. I personally don't believe anything is done at the supervisors meetings...all decisions are made at "The Bishop's Meeting," and simply passed at the board meetings. It is unfair to the taxpayers and needs to be stopped. "




To Well wrote on Dec 31, 2008 8:49 AM:

" No, I don't believe the blog is way off base. All the topics concern the county not doing anything about health and maintainence issues. Outhouses, roads, doesn't matter; they do nothing. As for the spectic tank which is the main issue, there was a good editorial in last weeks paper about a man taking a similar case to court in 1995. The ruling? No spectic tank, no utilites..simple as that. Now, they have to be sued again to make them enforce the already established ordinates. "




Well... wrote on Dec 30, 2008 7:37 PM:

" this blog certainly has gotten way off base. When did the subject go from a nasty outhouse to unbladed roads and Mexican citizens? What is the county doing about this illegal poop chute and why isn't anyone concerned if they STILL aren't doing anything about it? I live "down stream" from Ash Creek and I can see this ooze seeping into my well water as well. Graham County should be ashamed of themselves for not stepping up and rectifying this situation. "




Heres the Rub wrote on Dec 27, 2008 11:30 AM:

" The previous post concerning private citizens maintaining county roads. Best of my knowledge; he is a Mexican citizen and is maintaining county roads? I'll never vote against immigration laws again..
Posh offices, salaries..don't county officals take an oath of the public good?
What's wrong with this picture?
Still nothing has done about the lady and her clan in the article polluting the water table.
Let's get the Feds in here to investigate. "




To Just Curious wrote on Dec 27, 2008 10:15 AM:

" Hi ! Thought I'd let you know; it wasn't the county that grated the roads. It was Mr. Rios that lives in the area. I saw him at the store and he mentioned it after I asked if he noticed a difference. He and two other men get the credit.
So again the county let's us down.
Let's not pay taxes next year and see if they sit in their offices and do nothing. Ha!
Private citizens maintaining county roads?
Who ever heard of such a thing? "




Hey Concerned wrote on Dec 22, 2008 5:22 PM:

" I was in the middle of painting the laundry room and suddenly reflected on what you said...Uh, if the town of Pima nor the Board of Supervisors don't respect our needs out here. Form our on town ! People on dirt roads unite! Ha! Wouldn't it be great..? City Hall Meetings at the Cluff's Pond Forestry Office? This is what we want..i.e. funds, protection of wildlife. I'll bring the donuts and coffee. "




Dear Concerned wrote on Dec 22, 2008 12:19 PM:

" Thank-you..for standing up. You nailed it on the head.
It is about wanting to change. All these new houses in Ash Creek/White Fence Farms area and there sits that ol' school bus and several other abandon trailers, ect. People that don't live in this area apparently aren't convinced we want decent property values and clean water, just like in their neighborhoods.
Hope you have a good holiday and again thank-you for your friendly post.
Let's see if the county does anything. "




Concerned wrote on Dec 22, 2008 11:55 AM:

" I, like a lot of other people in the Ash Creek area have known this lady for years. Help has been offered and declined numerous times. Maybe this time will be different but bottom line is there is a deep distrust for authority by everyone living on that property and they see no reason to change. "




Poor in Pima wrote on Dec 22, 2008 9:09 AM:

" Yes, I remember as a kid, people said "you can be poor, but not dirty, because soap is not that expense." This is not about being poor, it's about what you value, like sanitation...
There are several people on the property to help her,"empty the bucket".
She can afford satilite TV, internet service, feed several dogs, ect. Why not a spectic tank? Get one on credit for example. People empathize, fine, yet they don't have to live next door to the situation. "




Bright side wrote on Dec 20, 2008 1:09 PM:

" I come from a place were the poor are an every day thing. This woman is elderly....please remember that. I grew up in a trailor park that was horrible in Louisiana. We didn't have an out house but it sure did smell like there was one in the summer time. At leaste this woman dug a hole and doesnt just poo in a bucket and throw it in the yard. I saw people who did that where i lived. Stop talking about helping her and DO IT. Actions speak louder than words. That hole is gonna smell spicy soon. "




Observer wrote on Dec 19, 2008 5:35 PM:

" Hummmmm..If you're using gas station restrooms; where do you get the name Lucky? Doesn't sound very lucky to me..There is no excuse for deliberately pollutiing the environment. If they are going to live in a civil society; they need to get a spectic tank like the rest of us. How would you like to live next door to this person? Can't run to the gas station to get away from the pollution.. "




Lucky wrote on Dec 18, 2008 9:06 PM:

" How come they dont just drive down to the local gas station and use there restroom. I have been doing this for several years. "




Ditto wrote on Dec 17, 2008 8:18 AM:

" I agree...I noticed a few days after the story ran the county roads were maintained for the first time in at least as long as I've lived here. Not sure if it's the complains to the Board of Supervisors, the Courier's article, or the sudden appearance of local school buses in the area? But, I am also thankful too! Look at me everybody..I'm civilized and live on a maintained road. "




Just Curious wrote on Dec 15, 2008 4:34 PM:

" About the roads in Ash Creek. I don't know who it was that went in and bladed the roads but I THANK YOU. My vehicle thanks you. Thank you. "




amishliving wrote on Dec 15, 2008 9:13 AM:

" Here's a solution. An honest person, a couple old giant pickle jars, a few sheets of blank paper, and some markers. Then go drop them around town and get those donations going so that woman can get her plumbing. How hard can that be? "




amishliving wrote on Dec 15, 2008 9:09 AM:

" If this has been an issue for "years", then the county is aware and isn't able to find any violation that poses a threat. It appears there are deeper, stinkier issues the public isn't aware of. Asking "what's wrong with you people?" isn't a criticism by any means; it's a legitimate question. All this talk about the kindness going around and nobody asked her over for a shower and umm..the other stuff. "




Time to speak wrote on Dec 14, 2008 9:53 PM:

" I have come to realize I can not save the world,Yesterday I was involved with Project Luke, we fed aproxamently 200 people and gave away over a 115 bikes 20 wagons, turkeys and I can't remember how may garbage bags of gifts and gift certificates, We even had to turn away 400 people in need because we just did not have enough to go around others who are complaining need to pitch in like, Matt , time to speak, etc. stop and offer maybe she will and maybe she won't, Don't hurt to try. "




Shaesca wrote on Dec 14, 2008 3:50 PM:

" OK Amishliving, I'm with you. Just let me know where to meet you with my shovel and we can go together and start helping this woman wheather she wants it or not. I hope you know how to plumb, because I don't, but I sure am willing to hand you the hacksaw and jount compound if you need it. I can shovel and we can fill in that nasty hole when the plumbing is in and inspected. Well, I'm ready whenever you are. See ya later, just name the place and time. "




To Amish Living wrote on Dec 14, 2008 12:35 PM:

" Ha! I had to laugh after reading your recent post. "What wrong with us?" Why so critical of others, when apparently you're decided not to show up with your shovel either? Remember, the woman doesn't want to change; it's her neighbor that wants the change. This has been an issue between those two parties for years. It's only after the newspaper ran the story, it became an issue of debate. In the article, it's about illegal utilities and numberous violations. Not only about getting shovels and being good local folks. The county has to do something. "




Matt wrote on Dec 13, 2008 9:08 AM:

" Yes, thank-you for the kind words. I do believe in a philosophy of service. This morning I am shopping for a 96 year old and taking a 84 year old to town. No pay, just simple kindness. In addition, I am equally curious as what is going to finally happen in this situation. Can you imagine, no hot water to shower? Many people commented they wanted to help; we'll see. This close to Christmas is a perfect oppurtunity to be Christian, not just tell people you are. This site is a fine example of public service too! "




amishliving wrote on Dec 13, 2008 8:11 AM:

" This whole thing stinks to high heaven and nobody is doing anything except whining and complaining. Find a solution to help someone and help yourself at the same time. What is wrong with you people? If you all are so "helpful" in so many ways, then why are you avoiding helping this woman like she has done something terrible? She's a human being. Now get off your pots. grab a shovel, some supplies and get busy. "




To Matt wrote on Dec 10, 2008 8:40 PM:

" That is so nice of you to help out this lady, I bet you never blogged and asked any one to help you get the fire wood and deliver it either. You seen that she needed it and just did it. I am the same kind of person, When I see some one in need I just do what I can to help, but some of the people blogging complain and tell others that they need to help and don't do a thing. Amber you could learn a few things from Matt and I. God bless you Matt. "




Matt wrote on Dec 10, 2008 7:51 AM:

" Yes, to address a few of the comments made; someone wrote,"how ironic on the same page as the article was an ad for a compose toilet." As far as the Amish using fertilizer? Animal waste can be used after 4 months, human waste can never be. On helping the elderly woman; I've donated firewood for three years in a row, ect. There is a few older folks in town, I help on a regular basis. The woman has children that live there at different times. Local government? The Arizona Dept. of Envirnomental Quality is involved now. "




Time to speak wrote on Dec 9, 2008 9:46 PM:

" Amber, the three kids I have mentioned are not the only children I have raised I also have four adult children, so I believe that I have contributed to society . point if you don't like whats going on with this lady stop complaining and do something about it. when you get on here and complain like you did, you are judging others when your talk and no action. Maybe you have room for her at your house, that would be so kind and generous, now problem solved. you say you do so much community work prove it. "




time to speak wrote on Dec 9, 2008 9:34 PM:

" Amber, I have taken three kids off the streets and raised them, so don't tell me I don't contribute. The differents between you and I is I did not get on and blog for help and tell people they should help me and contribute I did it because it was the right thing to do. One of the boys is 6yrs in the Army another one is 3yrs in the Navy and I have a little girl in the 1st grade. So if your a nurse get in and help and stop telling others what they should do. "




storm wrote on Dec 9, 2008 8:15 PM:

" You all are making me ill. The elderly woman lives in a bus. If I had the resources I would help this woman. Why won't one of the companies in town donate a porta potty. What a sad world we live in. "




It figures wrote on Dec 9, 2008 4:14 PM:

" Sounds about right, try to get an elected offical to do ant thing is like pulling teeth, I was going to report some problems Im having south of town, but now it seems to me to be a waste of time. "




To Livingamish wrote on Dec 9, 2008 12:32 PM:

" P.S. No, they don't want a well for drinking water, but someone else may want to apply for a well permit and drill for drinking water. Look at the big picture and get out of your little box with it's little peep-hole. "




To Amishliving wrote on Dec 9, 2008 12:28 PM:

" What? you obviously don't know much about the Amish since all you have done is "drive through Amish country." I believe if you do some research you will find the Amish are the very ones our Forest campground outhouses are modeled after. The Amish are very meticulous and would never take a chance on contaminating the earth they so revere and depend upon. Get a clue! "




Ezekial wrote on Dec 9, 2008 11:49 AM:

" What's that smell? "




Norm Johnson wrote on Dec 9, 2008 11:47 AM:

" I know what it means to live on a fixed income so,
how about some generous company donating
a Porta-Potty to this woman? I don't know the cost of a pump-out but, with the January Social Security raise, and some tight budgeting, maybe she can afford the up-keep.

Why, though, is it legal to rent RV Space, including
Utility Hook-ups, to someone, long-term, but not
on one's own property? "




AMISHLIVING wrote on Dec 9, 2008 9:19 AM:

" Take a ride through an Amish community sometime. Outhouses are scattered all over the countryside. We "English" take special trips into the Amish communities to purchase their freshly baked treats. Baked goods that contain yummy fruit from those orchards. Orchards that are in their own yards, next to those pesky outhouses. Just think of all the money saved not supplying manure to those orchards. Nobody said they were planning on digging a well for drinking water. "




Not Impressed wrote on Dec 9, 2008 7:29 AM:

" Here's what you do to solve the problem . . . Have "Good Ole Joe" send out his "Avenging Angels" O.P. Rockwell, and the boys, to give this little old lady and her's the word. That would be just about as effective as all the palaver over this situation so far. Most all you say is true, plus the fact that in this county, it just won't get done. No one forces a "brother" or "sister" to do something they can't afford. But they don't "help their own, unless it benefits "them" to do so. Get it? "




To Ash Creek wrote on Dec 8, 2008 10:12 AM:

" What? No water? I'm doing laundry right, now..My Dad works at a hardware store and I have a home improvement business. I think we know how to do basic plumbing.
After reading these posts. I'm not going to move after all. Thanks.. "




Matt wrote on Dec 8, 2008 9:17 AM:

" I see the last few comments are mean- spirted. If you haven't noticed the roads in the area where improved. Gee, I wonder how that got done? What's wrong with wanting a certain quality of life? And yes I'm modifying the water/irragation system. And I didn't see you volunteering to help. I know my motives; I'm not deliberately causing trouble. I want a standard of decency. Apparently, we don't share the same values. Read "first-hand experiences" post, for example. It is really that big deal to take care of your waste and clean up your yard? "




concern citizen wrote on Dec 7, 2008 9:26 AM:

" I believe that Matt should do something to help his neighbor and quit complaining about every little thing. I know for a fact that he and his dad are only doing this to cause problems others... "




Ash creek wrote on Dec 7, 2008 9:18 AM:

" How is it that this guy wants to plant trees when we don't even have water to drink. He should complaint about the roads and other bigger issues around here. I really hope you sell your house fast and move away... "




To Dear Unfortunately wrote on Dec 6, 2008 2:38 PM:

" Thank you for your blessings. The only way things will change in this county is if people stand up to the current faith based politics that run in 1970's good old boy mode. It is shameful that people who have invested much in their homes and land can't depend on local government to enforce laws already in existance. It is time for change. Hopefully we can all remember this next election year. I'm not afraid to run for office for change. Even if I lose, I will make a big statement. "




Pima Duffer wrote on Dec 6, 2008 1:22 PM:

" I don't know Matt. Now that the newspaper has called out the county, perhaps they will do something to rectify the situation. Keep the public informed so we know who to blame for inaction.
Why would the county only enforce the laws they choose.
On the other hand, why is this poor woman's daughter and grandson mooching off of her? Can't they work or are they on disability as well? I say see if the grandmother would accept assisted living at government housing, such as the apartments by Bashas, and take care of the problems at the property so thisguycangrowhisfruit. "




Dear Unfortuately wrote on Dec 6, 2008 12:13 PM:

" Uh, A breathe of fresh air..Thank-you for pointing out, what should have been clear to civilized people from the beginning of this situation. Why is local government apathetic towards the needs of the Gila Valley residents? It takes courage to take action. So much easier to help out your friends, then get out and tackle a problem, with moral implications.
I'm here looking after an elderly parent that was born here. To ever get the orchard and garden I want; I'm going to have sell my home at a loss and relocate where sanitation ordinates are respected. God Bless. "




AMBER wrote on Dec 6, 2008 7:48 AM:

" to 'time to change", number one, i am educated, number two, the whole "willingness to change" thing is from individual dignity. I am well educated with a background in healthcare in not only geriatrics but hospice as a nurse for a long time. Do not undermine me by claiming "inexperience." The problem is people like you that like to gossip, criticize others, point out all the negatives and never contribute anything to society or come up with any positive ideas, plans, support or changes. Your comments truly show how small minded and socially inept you allow yourself to be. "




Unfortunately wrote on Dec 5, 2008 6:25 PM:

" you can't have politics without religion in this area. If you think otherwise, you are sorely misled and probably won't be able to plant your trees this spring or next. If more people talk about what is and isn't done in Graham County, the more the local governments will have to respond. Be happy there are those who are upset that you can't get a nasty outhouse removed so you can have fresh fruit. It is absurd that there is even such a thing in this day and age, no matter how poor someone is. "




County Resident wrote on Dec 5, 2008 1:58 PM:

" How did this issue of sanitation, become a blog about religion and politics?
I just want something to finally be done.
I'm indifferent if Mormons believe they are saints or if the County Board of Supervisors are having a fancy lunch down in Glendale on taxpapers expense.
Of course, they are both wrong. Yet niether have nothing to do with producing fresh fruit and my orchard getting completed. I didn't kill anyone, I just want the county to take care of the outhouse, so, I can plant my trees in the Spring! "




Matt wrote on Dec 5, 2008 12:49 PM:

" Ha! A Progressive Liberal run for local office? I appreciate your humour...
People on numberous blog have implied, that the local ruling group keeps dening that they have power and influence here in Gila Valley. That they are not responsible for this, not responsible for that..Gee, I wonder how Prop 102 passed by a greater margin than any other county in Arizona; for example?
So, if I'm three miles South of town and don't live in Pima? Uh, what the name of the town I live in? Thanks for the civil post. "




To Here We Go Again wrote on Dec 5, 2008 12:34 PM:

" Yes, I'm not certainly if your critism is fair.I mention the local Theocracy and you take it personal. I just the want the llocal government to enforce the declared ordinances. This is a public health issue.
You saw the photo on the front paper. I have to look at that everyday! And yes it is true..as some people suggest, " if I was a bishop at a local church and complained." This problem may have been taken care of years ago. It's simple demographics. The ruling group in an area has the power to distribute resources. "




Pima Duffer wrote on Dec 5, 2008 10:41 AM:

" I think they said you can't be a member of the town council because you do not live in Pima! Run for the county board of supervisors if you want. "




Here we go again.... wrote on Dec 5, 2008 8:21 AM:

" When anything goes wrong,

BLAME A MORMON!

It's the easiest way out! Stop with the bitter Mormon diatribes already, it's old. "




To Shaesca wrote on Dec 5, 2008 7:53 AM:

" Thanks for the moral support. This has been an issue for 8 years...If the county once again fails to do it's duty, it's going to the courts. And then the EPA is going to get involved. And you're right there is a network in Pima; I wanted to get involved when I first moved here and immediately saw if I was not part of the local Theocracy, I could not be a member of the town council. I have a Management degree, an I.Q. over 120 and no criminal record and they told me."No need to apply." "




to qwerty wrote on Dec 5, 2008 7:04 AM:

" I guess that you must get out and drive around alot, the whole county has crappy homes and junk everywhere, not just Pima. This is something that needs to be adressed by the county, I live in Tidy Acres and totally agree that there is a lot of junk in this area, my place is not one of those, if the neighbors wont clean up, the county needs to fine them till they do. "




Not the town council wrote on Dec 5, 2008 3:59 AM:

" This area is not in the town of Pima, It is in Graham County's jurisdiction. "




Get out more wrote on Dec 5, 2008 2:38 AM:

" qwerty take a ride down Patterson Mesa Road. "




Shaesca wrote on Dec 5, 2008 2:33 AM:

" OK qwerty, I agree, most of pima is a terrible eyesore. Until there are more intelligent and innovative poeple allowed on the town council, I'm afraid it will just stay that way. Too many good old mormon boys running things. Forget about complaining to the town council about anything.They just turn a deaf ear. What's the problem? The outhouse is illegal. Get rid of it. More typical Graham County Officials passing the political buck. No guts to enforce the laws. Good luck Matt, you will need it. "




Did you see wrote on Dec 4, 2008 10:25 PM:

" Was there an ad for "Envirolet Composting Toilets" next to the article when anybody else read it. I also noticed ads for Obama or Palin when past articles mentioned them. Does the Courier do that or somebody else. Whoever, I think its cool the advertisement matches what's going on in the article. "




Concern wrote on Dec 4, 2008 8:54 PM:

" Boy, I cannot believe all of the comments to this story. Partical or full million $ homes in the area, and etc. This lady is on particle income so there should be a fund the city can use to help this person out. Also, sounds like that no-one knows for sure about polluted ground water affects on this orchard. Maybe the city can pick up the cost on the study, a tempory home, and digging a well. "




qwerty wrote on Dec 4, 2008 8:44 PM:

" With the prices of homes these days, that outhouse is probably one of the million dollar estates that person was referring to. I have to go watch an episode of Gangland now. They are featuring Tidy Acres. "




qwerty - Hello... wrote on Dec 4, 2008 5:07 PM:

" In Pima it is difficult to tell which is the outhouse! : ) "




qwerty wrote on Dec 4, 2008 3:56 PM:

" I also love this quote from the article:
"Karnes told the Courier the Health Department can neither confirm nor deny the existence of an outhouse on the Bronson property. " Can neither confirm nor deny?? Does Mr. Karnes represent the health department or the CIA? It's not that hard to spot an outhouse. It's 4 pieces of plywood with a half moon on the door. "




qwerty wrote on Dec 4, 2008 3:52 PM:

" For every million dollar house in Pima, there are 10-15 absolutely trashy ones. Everything north of the highway is nothing but an extension of the indian reservation. The south side isn't much better. Tidy acres ring a bell? I lived in Pima as a kid. I got the heck out as soon as I could! "




Shaesca wrote on Dec 4, 2008 12:09 PM:

" Good Grief, What a Mess! qwerty, I live in Pima (an annexed portion) and there are at least 100 homes, mine included, assessed at one half million to one million $ all around me. Mayby you should get off Hwy 70 and look around before you start comparing Pima to Arkansas. You probably really insulted any Tar Heel reading this as well. There certainly aren't any outhouses near here. There are some cows, horses and such in a part of Pima I call Beverly Hillbillyville just down the road though. Thankfully I live upwind. "




Area Resident wrote on Dec 4, 2008 8:08 AM:

" The area in question is indeed Ashcreek Acres. Whitefence Farms is the development adjacent to Ashcreek. Both developments are serviced by the Ashcreek Water Company. "




Cliffordpsanderscox.net wrote on Dec 4, 2008 6:02 AM:

" It was interesting to read about the outhouse on trashcreek acres. It is actually whitefense farms. A beautiful piece of land with million dollar views in the bacground and filtlh in the forground. It is time for the neighbors to start being neighborly and help the old lady out. I have a good flush toilet I am willing to give her If someone wants to come to mesa to get it. Cliff Sanders "




Pima Resident wrote on Dec 3, 2008 9:35 PM:

" It would be a good thing to help this woman if she truely can't get help from anywhere else. On the other hand she really does not have the right to contaminate somebody else's water. "




qwerty wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:59 PM:

" This is something straight out of Arkansas. I didn't need to read the story to know it was in Pima. Driving through Pima is like landing on the dark side of the moon. "




Time to speak wrote on Dec 3, 2008 7:32 PM:

" Amber, I don't know how old you are but you need to understand something, Some people don't like change ............ There is plenty of elderly living available but you might have to go and apply. Maybe thats what you could do to help out this lady. Just maybe then you would be more educated on the situation to comment. You can try to help people but some times it's a tuff thing because elderly people like things just they way they are and no one can change it no matter how hard you try. Let us know your finding's. "




Steve wrote on Dec 3, 2008 6:05 PM:

" I don't understand why some people feel that just because they own land, they can do whatever they feel like on it without regard to others whose health and ability to enjoy their own property are adversely affected. Obviously they don't care and it shows in the way they end up living. It's called karma. "




First hand experience wrote on Dec 3, 2008 4:40 PM:

" I know these people pretty well and it is true that there is an outhouse on the property and family members do live in the travel trailers on a full time basis.
Not answering the door when authorities come to call is a time honored tradition in that family.
Someone needs to do something about them! "




rebub wrote on Dec 3, 2008 4:09 PM:

" concern, you sound like a demacrat "




AMBER wrote on Dec 3, 2008 3:39 PM:

" Through all of this, I see the point of the disgruntled neighbor, but has anyone stopped and asked the most important question???What can be done to help this woman and her family? What kind of services are availble to low income and elderly persons who are actually in the postion to "need to use an outhouse"? I thought Safford and Pima were all about "community", well instead of complaining and finding fault and being negative, find some sort of positive outcome for ALL parties involved. Most of all this woman and her family? "




Matt wrote on Dec 3, 2008 1:44 PM:

" As I thought...the issue would be divided. What the article does not reveal beyond the environmental concerns is it is a trouble area. My house has been broken into three times and the people arrested came from next door. At times their are several people living there. Why the woman with health problems doesn't move closer to town, I don't know. However, nice to see a few people read the article. I'll post an update if there is one.. "




Concern wrote on Dec 3, 2008 12:52 PM:

" Maybe an enviromental study needs to be done to see if rain water is containmating the neighbors. Outhouses are found on all Native American Indian Reservation throught the United States, and on farm lands. Maybe the horses wastes needs to pumped out of the area as well. A person living conditions should be a concern and so taxes to be increase to help this person out should be look at as well, because maybe more than one person is living like this in the area. Thank you neighbor for tax increase. "




TIME TO wrote on Dec 3, 2008 10:56 AM:

" IT IS TIME TO DO SOMETHING BAOUT THIS!!! I would be very upset if these were my neighbors. I am no Einstien but maybe some surprise visits from authorities are in order. If they know you are coming they can cover their tracks. "




Really wrote on Dec 3, 2008 10:52 AM:

" If she is in such bad shape why not sale the land and move into a low income apartment or a nursing home. Please help this woman! "




Matt Hinkle wrote on Dec 3, 2008 10:30 AM:

" Yes, I think Jon Johnson the author of this story, presented it in a fair, balanced fashion. However, for the neighbor to claim that I am haressing her is unfounded. Still, after 8 years it good to see the local press took an interest. Hopefully the media attention will help to solve the problem. It's enviromental pollution no matter what your political orientation. Ummmm on the bright side, nice to see a photo of my horses in the newspaper...Thanks Jon for the public service. "