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omg please wrote on Feb 20, 2009 3:37 PM:

" to fmi mechanic: for your info, a lot of the people staying at fmi, not all, are not staying because of their skills. its because of the number of years they have been there. many who were laid off are having to "train" the ones staying, which is very silly because they should already know the job. people who show up to work but havent worked in years are scared because now with the lay offs, they are losing most of the people who do the dirty work. "




Nora wrote on Feb 20, 2009 3:18 PM:

" FMI mechanic- I gotcha........ "




OMG wrote on Feb 20, 2009 2:15 PM:

" Snif Snif! sad an all but OMG lets move on "




fmi mechanic wrote on Feb 19, 2009 10:09 PM:

" to nora....im on paid vacation, not paid leave. there is a difference. paid leave equals layoff. paid vacation means im on vacation. haha. read what is written if you respond so that yer response will be truthful....i do feel bad for families that were affected. all im saying. it was based on skill, not favs. stop crying, move on. the sad part is that even though they kept me, who wants to work here anymore anyway....this place is a circus and a joke. it will prob close down soon any way "




JW wrote on Feb 19, 2009 9:10 AM:

" Just like it said in the letter that was given to all of us that there would be no bumping rights as well. But yet alot of the supervisors are in a pool learning how to do someone elses job so they could stay and then you have some supers going to other departments. If that isn't bumping what is? "




Nora wrote on Feb 19, 2009 9:08 AM:

" Apparently you haven't read the guiding principals. Read page 21. It states that the one with the least points will go not the one with the most. In our department we had several of the low points stay, So it was not followed by the guiding principals. So your on a paid leave of absence that doesn't mean you are keeping your job! You maybe let go in March. You can see where alot of the people have a good argument when it did come to the points system. If it was based on skills "




ex-miner wrote on Feb 19, 2009 7:42 AM:

" What? The mine really doesn't owe me a living? What a wake up call! "




fmi mechanic wrote on Feb 18, 2009 7:39 PM:

" to shut your mouth bwana. first off, the layoffs were off a point system through the guiding principles. not favorites, second im not on the computer at work, im at home, on paid vacation from the job i STILL HAVE.....and they dont pay me to be on the computer, they pay me to fix things, which i do very well, which is why im still there and yer not. so i look forward to reading yer response as i know you have alot of free time to do so now "




Blue Collar wrote on Feb 18, 2009 9:44 AM:

" Being expendable has nothing to do with being blue-collar or white-collar. I'm a white-collar worker for more than 2 decades and received my pink slip 2 weeks ago. Everybody is expendable and the current economic conditions prove that nobody is safe. "




Independent Thought wrote on Feb 18, 2009 8:36 AM:

" Isn't it time to let go of the "favoritism" argument? The points system followed the Guiding Principles verbatim. We sign off every year that we received that document, and apparently many of us haven't read it. Skill points and individual contribution points were determined by both your direct supervisor, and your division superintendent. There are very clear criteria for scoring outlined in said Guiding Principles book. Individual Contribution is defined there clearly as well. And seniority points based off of original date of hire is pretty hard to play favorites with. Think about it. "




Wildcat78 wrote on Feb 17, 2009 10:21 PM:

" I have many friends who over the years since graduation in 78, that ask why I did'nt go to work at the mine. Well here's your sign! "




Reality wrote on Feb 17, 2009 6:42 PM:

" As long as you are in a blue-collar job you will be expendable. There's nothing that you can do that a foreigner or a younger person can't, for less pay, don't fool yourself. When I was in grade school the miner's kids would laugh at me because I worked hard at school. They aren't laughing now. Mother's of mining children, stop buying crap and start saving to send your kids to college, it's only going to get worse for the blue collared worker. "




Grow up wrote on Feb 17, 2009 3:22 PM:

" Do you people honestly believe that everyone that kept their jobs are butt kissers?? Is it possible that they are still there because they are skilled labor and do their jobs quite well? Believe it or not there are alot of men that work there that don't take crap from anyone, including their bosses but still have a job. Sorry if you lost your job but quit putting the blame on everyone else, you sound like a bunch of crybabys that don't get their way. "




bwana wrote on Feb 17, 2009 2:21 PM:

" I have nothing but sympathy for everyone who has become unemployed. And I've said that many times.

But you sir, are simply trying to foment further discontent by insinuating that the bonus comes off the backs off those who were layed off. That is not the case, and you were definately sniveling, possibly rabble rousing...Enjoy your bonus, kid. "




exminer wrote on Feb 17, 2009 1:04 PM:

" Reading all these comments takes me back to 84 when I lost my job at the mines when they shut down due to low copper prices. I lef then and luckily didnt come back though I really wanted to, because I understood the economy of mining. Everyone that blames FMI doesnt know what the world economy is doing, they just know that the world revolves around them. I do feel sympathy to those that loose their jobs but all this pointing and blaming is ridiculus "




shut your mouth bwana wrote on Feb 17, 2009 12:42 PM:

" Quit our snievling!??!!shut your mouth. I guess you were not one of the affected employees. Yes it was good to receive the bonus, but open your eyes!!! This layofff was based on favortism. Try and understand why everyone is mad!! you were probably one of the favorites for some reason, but only known to you!! so mind your business and get off your computer at work and get to work!!! that is why they are paying you right? or maybe not. We all know why you are getting paid. GET SOME PRIDE!!! "




fmi mechanic wrote on Feb 17, 2009 12:18 PM:

" why does everyone who got laid off talk trash about younger buttkisser who kept their job. well heres something for you to talk about, im 25 yrs old, been with fmi for 5yrs i am a journeyman heavy duty mechanic and i still have a job!!!!! if you were a laborer or a truck driver or any other unskilled worker, go to school and find a job that is needed. anyone can push a broom or drive a truck. get over it people. no body cares. be wise with yer money and move on "




bwana wrote on Feb 17, 2009 10:39 AM:

" The bonuses were from the 4th quarter of 2008...everyone who worked during that time period got one, even the layed off people.
(It wasn't very big anyway, so quit your sniveling.) "




JOKER wrote on Feb 17, 2009 8:54 AM:

" All of us out of a job or soon to be and lowe and behold, they're giving bonuses. What a joke. Keep your bonus and put us back on the payroll you sorry bast@rds. "




generationx wrote on Feb 16, 2009 9:24 AM:

" Years a go my spouse was told to get an education (apprenticeship) out of PD now FMI. He did just that and took a substantial paycut at the time. Many who never did are now experiencing the repercussions of their actions. Being beholden to the limited jobs in Safford was huge mistake for some. Used to be you could have generation after generation work in the mines. Now you can't. Tell you kids to get an education and move somewhere where they can prosper. "




candc wrote on Feb 14, 2009 3:11 PM:

" To devils advocate. . . . ya it would seem to make sense from a financial standpoint but reality is that these people that have been here 20 to 30 years have a fews thing most of these young people dont have, #1 patience, most kids today think they deserve far more than what they are really worth, #2 Experience, when it comes to crunch time you want the people that already know what to do when things start to break down and believe me that makes a big difference. "




jose wrote on Feb 13, 2009 3:00 PM:

" its not to show up to work when an individual wants or to come in half snockered, i have personally witnessed these types of behavior and then when disipline is handed out the individual then questions as to why. I personally can understand why a point system had been established and why there is so much negative attitudes because it points out the violators, if a person loves their family and life enough they would grow up and do their job and not worry about their status. Who cares about material things u cant take em when u die! "




jose wrote on Feb 13, 2009 2:51 PM:

" Lets look at how it is, i have been in this buisness personally for 30 years and all a person has to do is go to work fit for duty and do as you are asked, most people that i have been involved with act like they were or are owed a living but the fact is it is up to the individual to either provide for their wife and kids or just themselves. The very importance to getting and holding a job is for supporting the ones you love. "




Verde Lee Millionare wrote on Feb 13, 2009 11:19 AM:

" Yes, My stupidvisor gave me a heads up to the POINTLESS system.What a joke.i will move on in March and never return to this POINTLESS little place..Adios !!! "




Reality wrote on Feb 13, 2009 10:07 AM:

" They kept me and I am making 29.15hr, I have been here less than a yr. Who knows whats going to happen...Im prepared either way. "




Devils Advocate wrote on Feb 13, 2009 7:56 AM:

" I see all this commenting on younger employees being asskissers and being able to keep thier jobs.

From a business standpoint let me ask a few questions

How much does a mine worker make in thier 2nd year? How much more does one make at year 20?

If the mine is working to just make profit (like all business strive to do) wouldnt it make sense to cut your 20-30 year employees if a 1-5 year employee can do the same job for less wage?

It sucks that people have to lose their jobs "




Kevin wrote on Feb 12, 2009 7:07 PM:

" The country maybe in the same bind as the FMI employees (yes).
But the favortisum is really bad in the town of Morenci.
Yes you get a kiss up in every job you have ever worked, but the way it was done with the points was way out of line and if anyone says otherwise then they must of got their noses dirty to.
FMI did not go into this company for the copper at all. So even if the bad times around the world were not going on the mine would still be acting on the layoff. "




GLAD-2-B-GONE-96 wrote on Feb 11, 2009 7:24 PM:

" What do you expect coming from a small mining town......FAVORTISM!!! it runs the whole town of Morenci and Clifton!!!! Get over it and move on or should I say move out!! It's happening everyhwere not just in your town!!!! "




miner wrote on Feb 11, 2009 1:44 PM:

" This really suks being in this boat i mean laid off and all. "




To concerned wrote on Feb 10, 2009 10:30 PM:

" Realize that survival in a RIF does have allot to do with who you know or who you are doing. It is easy for those that refuse to acknowledge all the loss going on and are making remarks to systematically put everyone in a sheep status. Persons that have been layed off need to communicate ways to ease the pain, find each other for needed help in bad situations and develop support. For the status groups that don’t want to get down and make it fair but earn brownie points - stop reading and replying to shut "




concerned wrote on Feb 10, 2009 6:59 PM:

" Why does everyone not reallize that this is not personal , the company did not set out to hurt anyone.. there is no favortism,, people just look around the whole country is in the same bind..why cant we just see that the economy is bad all over no matter how good or how bad a worker you were...there is massive lay off. have some compassion for the people still working would you expect to walk away so that no ones feelings are hurt?? Strive for a better life "




A Vocie in the Crowd wrote on Feb 10, 2009 6:58 PM:

" I hope the Courier leaves this up. I think it is a GREAT SERVICE! A good place to vent, share, a get a good understanding how this is effecting everyone. If you feel like this is a waste of time, fine move on. If it helps at least one person not to feel alone and know that a lot of people are being treated unfairly. It makes it some how easier. This has given me A Lot of comfort to know that I am not the only one who has been treated so unfairly THANKS COURIER!!! "




First and Last comment wrote on Feb 10, 2009 6:57 PM:

" People need to move on it does not matter why we were laid off. The fact of the matter is we no longer have jobs. I know this sucks and there are not many options around here for us. My point being coming on here and bad mouthing those who kept their jobs is not going to feed our familes. I never wanted to work in a prison but I am headed that route good luck to all! "




JUST FACE THE FACTS wrote on Feb 10, 2009 5:02 PM:

" I dont think the Courier should take this off. HELLO....its called freedom of speech. if you dont like what is written that stop reading this page. The truth does hurt!! This layoff was based on favoritism!! WAKE UP!! IT IS ONLY OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE IN THIS TOWN. If your spouse did not get laid off of course you don't want to read this because you were not affected. PUT THE SHOE ON THE OTHER FOOT!! THE COURIER IS DOING THE RIGHT THING LETTING PEOPLE EXPRESS HOW THEY FEEL!! "




To the Courier wrote on Feb 10, 2009 3:56 PM:

" PLEASE PLEASE take this off already!!! "




TO HELP wrote on Feb 10, 2009 2:47 PM:

" YES YOU CAN STILL COLLECT, THAT WHAT THEY TOLD ME. THEY SAID I HAVE TO STILL LOOK FOR A JOB AND CALL THE JOB LINE AND REPORT MY JOBS THAT I APPLIED. CALL DES AT 928-428-2722 FOR MORE INFORMATION. "




ma wrote on Feb 10, 2009 1:36 PM:

" To HELP: Go ahead back to your home state. File for unemployment through the local office. They will process your claim on Arizona if you are eligible, or in your home state if it's there. It will depend on how long you worked in which state, and if you are eligible for payments. Good luck. "




Help wrote on Feb 10, 2009 12:46 PM:

" I toof the paid self termination. Does anyone know if I move back to my home state if I file unemployment for AZ or my home state? "




HATING REALITY wrote on Feb 10, 2009 9:42 AM:

" We're not "haters" REALITY, we just HATE that you're so blinded by what you're husband's told you. Maybe he wasn't "working" all those 36 hours...have you ever thought of that?! My husband still has his job so I'm no hater. But I'm not on here bragging about what a hard worker he is, making the laid off families feel bad. I'm sure most of those men are hard workers too. Don't be so smug REALITY! The company doesn't care about any of us! "




TO REALITY wrote on Feb 10, 2009 9:36 AM:

" First of all, it's illegal to work 36 hours straight....so if you're husband did then he is definately a "yes man" butt kisser. Is sounds like he can't say no! And I'm sure that a lot of people who got laid off worked long hours too. The employees with the least amount of time with the company should be the first to get laid off, plain and simple. It's too hard to judge who the hardest workers are because that's just a matter of opinion. "




stirfry wrote on Feb 10, 2009 8:05 AM:

" Well the big day was yesterday, I did not sign the quit paper and I will not take the 20 hr. so in march I will be layed off. They are giving a severance package of another 4 weeks of admin leave and a week after 2 yrs for every year worked and six months cobra. My body is hurting all the time back, knees, hips, elbows and wrists. I gave them my best years and this is what thanks they give people with 30 plus years. The new ones will be walked on too! GOOD LUCK "




Oh please. wrote on Feb 9, 2009 11:35 PM:

" lady, i am 110% positive that 1/2 of this board is "hating" on your husband.

Get a clue. Or buy one. :) "




WeRleaving wrote on Feb 9, 2009 10:05 PM:

" BTW folks...No one has been laid off. That takes place starting March 16th. It's "administrative leave" for now. YES, they need to stop this post. It's gone too far. "




Reality wrote on Feb 9, 2009 7:40 PM:

" My husband has never hung out with his sup. on his free time. In fact they didn't really get along. His points WERE based on his skills. If he is eventually let go then we will deal with it. Some people on here are so rude. It is unfair to ASSume that those who stayed are all butt kissers or "buddies". His co-workers were always sayin how he busts his behind...and no he doesn't tell me that we are friends with alot of ppl who all know and say how hard he works. Haters! "




lodylou wrote on Feb 9, 2009 6:35 PM:

" To ml--if you were in this situation wouldn't you want to vent and share your thoughts?? If FMI would have handled the layoffs properly you wouldn't have to worry about these blogs. Plus, if you don't like the story why do you keep reading the things on here? "




Roxy wrote on Feb 9, 2009 5:01 PM:

" It's not just the newer people that are butt kissers it is everyone out there that goes and hangs out with the supervisors on days off etc. Get a clue lady your husband will be gone down the road as well he is by all means not that special.
The whole point system was a big joke it was not done to the guiding principals if it was then we would have the skilled employees instead of the ones who just got a good score due to mysterious points being thrown in there. "




ml wrote on Feb 9, 2009 2:43 PM:

" I really wish the Editor would pull this story its like beating a dead horse! "




Of Course wrote on Feb 9, 2009 2:08 PM:

" Why would anyone want want to miss work? With all the extracurricular activities going on. That place sounded like quite the playground for adults. "




Reality wrote on Feb 9, 2009 10:44 AM:

" I am not bragging. I am simply saying some these people who have been here 20 some yrs who got layed off complaining about the "newer" people being butt kissers. And I do know first hand how hard my husband works. Before he came to the mine he was working up to 36hr shifts striaght and had worked 6mo. straight with out a single day off. He has never missed a day of work period. He loves to work hard. If he does get layed off we will deal with it. Im just saying stop calling "new" guys butt kissers. "




helpful wrote on Feb 9, 2009 9:33 AM:

" To get ahold of the ADC recruiter call (928)428-4698 "




ADC Recruiter wrote on Feb 9, 2009 9:06 AM:

" Apparently the Courier won't post my contact info. look up the State Prison in the phone book or stop by Safford DES Office. "




TO REALITY wrote on Feb 9, 2009 8:55 AM:

" REALITY-You know the layoffs aren't over...right? If your husband is a new employee then he will be getting laid off. And when he gets laid off, are you going to post on here that he was a crappy employee, because that's what you're insinuating about all the other laid off workers. You better knock on wood girl because you just brought bad luck on yourself. You shouldn't be so smug when others are hurting. "




TO REALITY wrote on Feb 9, 2009 8:43 AM:

" To REALITY---You have no idea what you're husband does or how hard he works once he leaves the house. Please don't be one of those wives you blindly brags on what a great employee their husband is and what a valuable asset he is to the company. Don't fool yourself....the company doesn't care about your husband. If he didn't get laid off it's because of the point system, not because he is such a great worker. I'm glad he still has a job but don't brag about it to everyone. "




question wrote on Feb 9, 2009 7:55 AM:

" does anyone know? are the people who were laid off and are now being called back safe? or do they still lose their job in march? "




ohplease.. wrote on Feb 8, 2009 11:37 PM:

" TO Reality,
Your husband is pry a "yes man"........


ALOT OF WORKERS BUST THEIR BEHIND TO MAKE THAT MINE RUN NOT JUST YOUR HUSBAND. :) "




Janice wrote on Feb 8, 2009 4:26 PM:

" To: ADC recuriter what is your contact number? "




Reality wrote on Feb 8, 2009 4:00 PM:

" I understand some pople who have been with the mine 20 some yrs are upset about "newer" people not being let go. But just because you do your job 20yrs or so does not mean you are good at it. Not to offend anyone as there are a lot of hard workers with yrs. under there belts,but there are the ones who have slipped under th radar who just show up. My husband is a "new" employee but he busts his behind, and is very skilled in what he does. He's not a butt kisser but HARD WORKER. "




What a mess wrote on Feb 8, 2009 3:53 PM:

" They are promising me a house. But aren't the houses full? They are letting employees who were not laid off keep them, but the people on admin. leave who are not called back will have 30 days after they are "layed off" "




to stirfry wrote on Feb 8, 2009 3:50 PM:

" My husband was also offered the part time position. I thought if you refused you would be choosing the self-termination....not administrative leave? The self termination was to be for 6 weeks pay and one week pay for every yr over 2. The administrative leave as i understood was basicly the people that were let go Feb. 2nd with pay and call-back rights. But they will be layed off between march 16-23rd "




Looking 4a lawyer wrote on Feb 8, 2009 3:41 PM:

" Sue the heck out of them if you were:

Cheated out of early retirement
Coerced
Cheated on your runzheimer
Cheated on your housing incentive program payout
Bumped
Replaced by someone with less seniority & experience because of race, religion, etc.
Basically anything that amounts to breach of contract or discrimination.

Layoffs are one thing, but what they are doing is probably illegal in many cases. SUE THEM! "




fmimechanic wrote on Feb 8, 2009 2:26 PM:

" the heavy duty truck shop lost prob 60 or so people. hardly any journeyman mechanics were let go, just a few with no time in were put on 20 hrs. all the big bosses upstairs are there still, just shuffled around with new job titles to keep safe. we are able to work overtime still to. why layoff and want us to work overtime? you wud be suprised as to how many they kept, are already applying for other jobs because they are tired of the fmi circus "




Efron wrote on Feb 8, 2009 2:21 PM:

" I talked to unemployment out of Phoenix and they said that if you wait till the lay off you are on a recall list and that means you can get called back for a job. So you will not be able to collect unemployment. Where if you take the voluntary you can collect unemployment after your severance pay is up.
I put in for the voluntary due to if they call you back for a job that means they can call you back where ever production is needed, haul truck etc. "




stirfry wrote on Feb 8, 2009 1:04 PM:

" To whom it may concern! I was offered the 20 hour part time position. I refused so I went on admin leave, Then they sent me a letter asking again. I will not take the position. If no one took it they would have to call some people back for FULL TIME positions. Does every one know they are coming out with a new guiding principals for the part time department. Really its a slap in the face for people who have 20 plus yrs, and you see employees with less than 2 yrs having full time positions!! "




frozen wrote on Feb 8, 2009 11:55 AM:

" They will probably sell all the North American copper mines ,that will pay off debt.
FMI would keep the Moly mines, Tenke and Grasberb, New owners would come in reduce costs and more employees "




ADC Recruiter wrote on Feb 8, 2009 11:49 AM:

" Call me in my office m-f 8-2 to schedule appointments for Correctional Officer Testing. No experience necessary, 16/hr to start. Valid license, diploma or GED, no drug users or criminals. Full time, excellent benefits, secure employment, advancement opportunities, 20/yr retirement regardless of age. "




I got a Question wrote on Feb 8, 2009 10:24 AM:

" If any body takes the 20 hour job, do they lose their medical, 401k option, and also.... if they turn down an offer for the 20hrs, do they lose the right to file for Unemployment? I would think they would, because they were offered "A Job" insted of NO JOB. Would I be thinking correctly??? does anyone know anything about this? "




To In The Know wrote on Feb 8, 2009 7:32 AM:

" Are you really in the know? Does your comment have anything to do with some recent Sunday visitors? "




Hourly Employee-Laid Off wrote on Feb 8, 2009 6:59 AM:

" I understand the economic down turn, and the ups and downs of the copper industry. But I do not understand how the mine can justify laying off hourly people, and moving supervisiors down to the hourly positions. In the letter sent out on 1-09-09, they said that THERE WOULD BE NO BUMPING DOWN FOR EXMEPT EMPLOYEES. But that is exactly what they are doing. Sr. supervisors and shift supervisors are being put into hourly positions. Just because who the know or are related too. And in some cases changing job titles to hide and shuffle SPECIAL PEOPLE to safer jobs "




wheredoigo wrote on Feb 7, 2009 9:33 PM:

" where can i find out infomation about apply at the prison?

thank you so much. "




To the help is there wrote on Feb 7, 2009 11:03 AM:

" But there IS work here... at the State Prison. Good pay and Better Benefits than the mine has ever offered. 20 year retirement regardless of your age. No lay-offs. Not dependent on the economy. No experience needed and $16/hour to start. "




In The Know wrote on Feb 7, 2009 7:47 AM:

" Freeport is paring down in order to sell their domestic mining interests. Be patient as another company will buy them out and be hiring. The negative is that they won't hire as many and will hire for reduced wages.

There are some mines hiring in Australia, Nevada, and Wyoming for those interested. "




The help is there wrote on Feb 6, 2009 9:39 PM:

" I don't really think anybody is losing any money except overtime untill the middle of March if you wait for the riff. I really believe that this is a good way to help us out while looking for another job and still bring in a paycheck. The problem is that there is no work in this area and you will have to go to the big city. Use the money wisely. As for all these non FMI peoplewith bad comments, when your jobs are cut there will be no help for you. What goes around, comes around. "




John wrote on Feb 6, 2009 9:29 PM:

" Sorry to hear about the layoffs in Morenci. I worked up there for many years long ago and there were a lot of good people, really. Try to keep your humanity and sanity. I hope the best for all of you who have lost jobs, keep a good attitude about yourselves and your neighbor and things will work out, somehow. Good Luck. "




EX PD EMPLOYEE wrote on Feb 6, 2009 4:50 PM:

" I haven't worked at Morenci since 2000. I left when I did because I felt it was best for my family and myself, but I always enjoyed the people and the area. I am very sorry to hear what is happening there, friends keep me informed about what is happening. To the supposed local cop, if he is one. To think that his job isn't going anywhere, is like sticking his head in the sand. As the population decreases, so does all the other jobs, including police and fire. "




To to Aimee staten wrote on Feb 6, 2009 3:47 PM:

" It's LOSE their jobs, not LOOSE their jobs, and your right, ignorant people such as yourself shouldn't post on here. "




To Aimee Statten wrote on Feb 6, 2009 1:40 PM:

" It is a shame that you continue to allow the ignorant people of this valley to insult and dis-repect those who have lost their job, will loose their job, lost a loved one this week, or became the first female police chief. By allowing the ignorant to post comments, you are allowing the insults and dis-respect. This paper reminds me of the "Wild West News" days. "




ADC wrote on Feb 6, 2009 12:25 PM:

" The State Prison in Safford is still hiring. I work there. Good job, Good pay and better benefits than I had at the mine. "




LegalWise wrote on Feb 6, 2009 12:11 PM:

" Gunn1 wrote on Feb 5, 2009 4:38 PM:
TO GUNN: OMG! LOL! Thanks for making me laugh so hard I almost fell off my chair. Too hilarious. Although I seriously doubt "he" (pssst.....B.R.) is blogging on this site. But, thanks for the laugh. "




HELP wrote on Feb 6, 2009 11:39 AM:

" To Janice:
By what I understand, taking the 20hr part time offer you will have to sign the deal giving up all rights as a full time employee. Loss of all full time benefits, including medical, and overtime. Also you will no longer be a non-exempt employee so if there is another layoff you would not be eligable for any other severance pay if it is again offered. You have untill 4pm Monday Feb. 9th to decide either way,and turn in all necessary paperwork. If you take the severance the last day to work is Friday Feb. 13th. "




BARGAINHUNTER wrote on Feb 6, 2009 8:54 AM:

" Is anyone looking to get rid of a washer and dryer? If you need quick cash let me know. I'm in the market for one of the new style ones. I can't afford to buy new because I work for the county. "




Lisa wrote on Feb 6, 2009 7:31 AM:

" To interested:
There are no buses running. I only know of a few supervisors let go, the rest they went back to their equipment.
In our department everyone was let go except for 6. "




janice wrote on Feb 6, 2009 4:08 AM:

" TO: HELP
WHEN AND IF YOU FIND OUT HE DETAILS ABOUT THE VOLUNTARY LAYOFF - POST THEM, MY SON WAS JUST OFFERED THE 20HOURS WHAT IS THE GUARANTEE IF HE TAKES THE 20HRS? "




Youve been tricked.. wrote on Feb 5, 2009 8:59 PM:

" I don't think "non FMI employee" is really a cop. It sounds like a vengeful person with a score to settle on our local law enforcement! These guys do an awsome job and don't deserve this kind of rap!
Stop believing everything you read on this blog! This person is just trying to get people more jacked up than thay already are! Don't be so gullible! "




Gunn1 wrote on Feb 5, 2009 4:38 PM:

" Local Cop, Yea your living the high life on your $30k, per year, driving around chasing cats. Your probably one of the tough guys that pretend your a MMA fighter, the last time I saw one of saffords finest in the MMA ring he got knocked out in the 1st round LOL HA HA. "




interested wrote on Feb 5, 2009 3:22 PM:

" How many were let go? How many Supervisors have stayed. What areas have employees. What is stll up and running? How many Buses are still running? "




Non FMI Employee wrote on Feb 5, 2009 3:09 PM:

" You guys are pathetic. You will believe anything. "




Non-Sequitur wrote on Feb 5, 2009 12:42 PM:

" When the plant in the DRC comes online later this year FMI will produce 250 million pounds of copper a year at the Tenke Fungurume copper and cobalt project, yet they are still planning a 17% cut in copper production for 2010, this means alot of North American properties will be on the chopping block. "




To The Cop wrote on Feb 5, 2009 12:30 PM:

" SHAME SHAME SHAME I HAVE JUST LOST ALL RESPECT FOR COPS I N THE SAFFORD THATCHER AREA. DO ALL OF US A FAVOR LEAVE LEAVE LEAVE. "




HELP wrote on Feb 5, 2009 12:13 PM:

" Has anybody taken the self termination? Do you know how long it takes to get your six weeks pay? My husband was offered the 20hr part time guarantee deal starting March 16th. We are undecided as to what we are doing. He wants to leave now because everything seems like a big cluster**** "




concerned wrote on Feb 5, 2009 11:43 AM:

" Have heard of more lay-off in the future. Has anyone heard? What is going to left after all of the lay offs? What areas of the mine will still be running? A lot of rumors and just thought asking would help "




To Local Cop wrote on Feb 5, 2009 11:38 AM:

" How very said that you said you were part of our Local Cop Shop. I feel so protected. ( NOT) Thank god people don't know your name cause I doubt your fellow workers would appreciate that comment you made. you are full of Crap if you think you were trying to help out yea sounded like it.. I hope Noone finds out who you are .. I hope and pray there are better cops then you out there that care about people.. you are a Low life "




this is a joke wrote on Feb 5, 2009 10:51 AM:

" I can't believe that a local cocky cop got on here to blow off is big mouth.
It's good to know that even our cops are as low as half the people on here.
You stupid cop your job isn't going anywhere?
It would if you got shot in the line of duty or something tragic happened!
My bad I thought cops were here to serve and protect our county.
SInce you job is soo good why by sloppy seconds, when you can afford full price right?? "




To Lucky wrote on Feb 5, 2009 10:08 AM:

" You do know you can't buy beer with food stamps right? I think you should consider changing your name "




Non FMI Employee wrote on Feb 5, 2009 10:05 AM:

" I am a local Cop and my job is not going anywhere. You guys made your choice to go into the mining business. All I'm saying is those of you needing money, I can help you by taking some of those expensive toys off your hands. Jeeze! Try to offer a little help...

And if I DID give you my name? What are YOU going to do? "




IT DOESNT SURPRISE ME wrote on Feb 5, 2009 9:50 AM:

" This whole layoff crap was based on favortism. Yes we know the whole country is going through this, but this was a big company we were working for, you would think they would have handled this more professionally. It was obvious the people that stayed were hand picked for reasons unknown, but not to them!! The concentrators lay off was a joke. They saved two of the most ignorant supervisors. The ones that played golf and poker with their upper buddies. you know who you are. where the heck is your pride!!! "




Whats going on wrote on Feb 5, 2009 8:20 AM:

" Crush & conv. kept mostly operators for operations. 2 areas have 4 crews at 10 hours shifts & one has only 2 crews at 8 hour shifts. "




Whats going on wrote on Feb 5, 2009 8:01 AM:

" Crush & conv. kept mostly operators. 2 areas have 4 crews at 10 hours shifts & one has only 2 crews at 8 hour shifts. "




Just like the rest of you-residing in Morenci even wrote on Feb 5, 2009 2:31 AM:

" It shocks me to continue to read the comments that are placed on this page day in and day out. Can't everyone just recognize what happened to them is happening to hundreds of thousands of people everywhere? We are the lucky ones, cause we still get paid for 2 more months and then a severence. Do you think any of those people were offered pay without work for 2 extra months to get by?? I think probably not! Be thankful for what you have and use the blessing to make your life better instead of complaining constantly!!! "




2 non FMI employee wrote on Feb 5, 2009 1:20 AM:

" What business are you in? You dont think this recession will ever hurt you? Sounds like your a little jealous of hard working people. If you were such a hot shot you would already have your toys and not need to buy some copper miners sloppy seconds. "




Lucky wrote on Feb 4, 2009 11:17 PM:

" To " NO FMI WORKER " I hope when Burger King starts their lay offs, you have to sell all your toys. If you need a job when that happens you can come to my house and open my BEER cans for me. I will let you keep the empty cans for all your hard work. "




to non fmi employee wrote on Feb 4, 2009 8:11 PM:

" I am not employed with FMI nor is my spouse...But I will sell you my 08 Harley Fatboy soft tail Special edition! "




buckeye wrote on Feb 4, 2009 7:21 PM:

" I heard that unemployment benefits from Az. were being raised max.from$220a week to $336 a week I was wondering if it is rumor or truth we are a one income family and husband also lost his job as a contractor.keep the faith and bless us all. "




Wiccipoo wrote on Feb 4, 2009 5:36 PM:

" The voluntary resignation may sound good to many. However, they failed to tell you that you will be taxed 42% on the buyout money. Also you do qualify for unemployment if you voluntary resign. FMI will not contest due to the economic situations we face. Put the blame on previous goverment representatives, the stock market and the banks, they saw this coming and failed to do anything to help the working people who put their trust in them. "




Lisa wrote on Feb 4, 2009 4:11 PM:

" Thank you for the helpful comments about the voluntary and the leave of absence. "




laid off wrote on Feb 4, 2009 3:41 PM:

" THANK YOU "MOM OF 4" FOR SPEAKING UP TO THE JERKS POSTING COMMENTS. I THOUGHT ABOUT GIVING "NON FMI EMPLOYEE" A PIECE OF MY MIND, BUT HES NOT WORTH MY TIME, UNLESS HE POSTS HIS REAL NAME. "




Answers wrote on Feb 4, 2009 2:13 PM:

" You can take a voluntary deal even if you are on a paid leave. You can stay off and just come back on the last day. Just make sure you turn your paperwork in before the 9th. "




MOM-OF-4 wrote on Feb 4, 2009 2:11 PM:

" 4 YOUR INFORMATION, YEAH MY KIDS EDUCATION IS PAID FOR AND DONE. I AM OF THE LUCKY FEW. HOW ABOUT YOU AND YOURS. CAN YOU SAY THAT? I HAVE DAD ALL MY KIDS AND I CAN SIT HERE ON THE COMPUTER ALL I WANT NOW AND REAP MY REWARDS, SO TELL ME WHY ARE YOU HOME? "




Lisa wrote on Feb 4, 2009 1:59 PM:

" If you are on the leave of absence right now then when the actual layoff is March 15. If you get called back you can not turn down any job offered. If you turn down a job you are not able to collect unemployment.
I heard that they are giving the people on leave of absence up until the 9th to see if the voluntary is the way out for them. If it is then get it done before the 9th of Feb. "




2 mom of 4 wrote on Feb 4, 2009 1:02 PM:

" do what you do best have more kids and leave the other people alone. focus on your kids college education. oh wait i am so sure you dont have that in the bank. so keep quiet. "




dont_let_them_get_2_you wrote on Feb 4, 2009 12:42 PM:

" Wow, I know minimum wage sucks, but why laugh in the face of those who lost their jobs? I’m sorry high school was so challenging and deterred you from making any social progress ever since then. Its ok though, we'll be alright. Don't worry to much about you job security. I’m sure none of us have plans of sticking around and relying on government assistant for the rest of our lives. "




MOM-OF-4 wrote on Feb 4, 2009 11:37 AM:

" TO NON FMI,
IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY YOUR OWN TOYS FULL PRICE THEN OBVIOUSLY THE HAHA SHOULD GO TO YOU. THESE PEOPLE WILL PICK THEMSELVES UP AND BE STRONGER AND BETTER FOR IT. "




WRleaving wrote on Feb 4, 2009 10:50 AM:

" If you voluntarily resign you are quitting. No unemployment. Last day of work is Feb. 13th. You get six weeks severance pay, and one week for every year that you have been with the company AFTER the first two years. If you've worked 10 years you will get paid for 8 of those. If you are already on paid leave you most likely can not voluntarily resign now...ask your boss. We are taking the volunteer resignation because we can not make it on the part time deal they offered my husband. Good luck. "




phx man wrote on Feb 4, 2009 10:03 AM:

" all u guys need to deal with it it's a part of life. Get up and leave. My parents, aunts, and uncles dealt with it back in 83'.....MOVE ON SUCKERS ha ha "




Looking for answers wrote on Feb 4, 2009 7:36 AM:

" We didn't get much info on the voluntary way out this time.
Does anyone know if you take it if you have to return to work till the 13th? Or beings you are already on a leave of absence if you just stay gone and get the paper work done.
Does anyone know if you can get unemployment if you do this voluntary as well? DES here in Safford gave me the 1-800 number due to they couldn't answer the question. I was told FMI won't fight it but the state might! "




a person wrote on Feb 4, 2009 6:43 AM:

" I remember back in the day that the only jobs that were really out there for this county was to either work at the mine or the prision. being true part of safford went to the prision and the other half to the Mine. Some people then were able to afford to go in training for weeks and others were not, which lead to them working for PD. Every other comment is usually from non FMI employees. Plain and simple you better hope and pray this never happens 2 u.


The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh "




LegalWise wrote on Feb 4, 2009 6:05 AM:

" To NON-FMI Employee: You seem to not understand basic economics. Your job is on shakey ground too. You won't have much garbage to pick up because of less people in the valley and your wife's job at Mc'Ds at the drive-thru window is going to be took over by some 18 yr. old. So, before you go slinging poo, you better go finish high school and take an economics class. Can you be any more undereducated? Go back to blogging on myspace. It's better suited to your education level. "




LegalWise wrote on Feb 4, 2009 5:56 AM:

" I'm disgusted by the behavior of those that are laughing in the face of those at the mine that lost their jobs. You don't know why a person worked there or chose that job. Greed is a reason? How so? To want to feed and take of your family and potentially build a future and a retirement is not "greed" motivated. It is not normal for you to spit in the face of those that are losing their livliehoods. And don't get too comfortable with your own "job" because it WILL trickle down and you could be next. "




Mr_Grumpy_WS wrote on Feb 4, 2009 3:22 AM:

" Have faith people. Calm down & take time to think. I realize alot of u are worried & angry but theres not much we can do but to just move on the best we can. Sure we all stand to lose alot, but most of it is materiallistic. Ya we all might have to rough it for awhile like back in our old days, but as long as were together with our families & in good health...thats all that matters & FM cant take that away! So for now its back to Sopas & Beans instead of Steak & Lobster! "




FMI Miner wrote on Feb 4, 2009 12:52 AM:

" it takes the saddest lowest ones to feed off the ones with pain and such disadvantages right now. just remember god will judge you. may he have mercy on your soul for being so hateful and loathing.

I am awaiting to hear about my job, but just know this i will be here to help out my fellow workers and community members. "




MorenciGal wrote on Feb 4, 2009 12:50 AM:

" TO yet another, I'm surprised you even have a job with your horrendous run on sentences and incorrect spelling.

you are such a joke. Lol.

i guess you couldnt afford a computer with spell check. "




FMI wrote on Feb 4, 2009 12:48 AM:

" HOW RUDE YOU LITTLE PUNKS ARE. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOUR IGNORANT SELVES.

THESE PEOPLE ARE LOOSING THEIR JOBS, SOME EVEN HAVE FAMILIES AND LITTLE KIDS, HOW CAN YOU COME ON HERE AND BE SO RUDE AND HATEFUL.

GOD BLESS YOU LOWLIVES. "




smalltowngirl wrote on Feb 4, 2009 12:47 AM:

" how incredibly sad it is that you non fmi punks come on here talking this big bad stuff. you should be embarassed that you are like this. you make me sick. i can only imagine what your job is, mcdonalds?? burger king? oh wait maybe dennys?

grow up and learn some respect, didnt your mom teach you any? "




ittybitty wrote on Feb 4, 2009 12:45 AM:

" To NON FMI's:

YOU SOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES COMING ON HERE AND TYPING THOSE KIND OF THINGS TO THESE HARD WORKING PEOPLE. YOU KNOW YOU ARE JEALOUS OF WHAT MORENCI WORKS HAVE/HAD. AT LEAST THEY CAN SAY THAT THEY WORKED HARD FOR THE THINGS THEY GOT WHAT CAN YOU SAY FOR YOUR SORRY SELF?

JUST REMEMBER KARMA, I HEAR SHE IS SOMETHING ELSE. "




Mathew wrote on Feb 3, 2009 8:17 PM:

" I hate to be the one to highlight the obvious. I used to be in management during the PD years. The name on the sign at the front gates doesn’t change historical mining operation philosophy. It’s feast or famine. And, your backs were painted with bulls eyes long before the economy dictated reduction. It’s based solely on the shade of stain on your nose. "




enough is enough wrote on Feb 3, 2009 7:34 PM:

" I would like to encourage the paper to remove this article or at least make it were you can not comment anymore enough is enough "




yet another non fmi employee wrote on Feb 3, 2009 7:07 PM:

" I am also not a FMI employee. I too will be buying some toys from those of you that last jobs. I am sorry that you lost your jobs but someones loss is always someone elses gain. To those of you that got all mad at non fmi employee whiel yes it is rude to laugh in your face but at the same time some of us made the decision to not work in the mines because lay offs happen in mining any of you that think otherwise were just joking yourself and your family. "




Non FMI Employee wrote on Feb 3, 2009 6:06 PM:

" Most of you had stable jobs before FMI but you got greedy and jumped on board now all the rest of us can do is say "I told you so." You did this to your own families. "




Sanitation wrote on Feb 3, 2009 5:28 PM:

" To Non FMI Employee of Feb 3, 2009 2:50 PM:

Your are proof that garbage can have two legs, walk, talk, and attract flies as well as the four footed type of pig. Enjoy your wallowing now while there are still higher life forms to compare your sorry self with. Only your type can get enjoyment out of your mangled sick mind. "




LOCAL DES PHONE FOR SAFFORD wrote on Feb 3, 2009 3:37 PM:

" IS; (928)-428-2722 and listen to the prompts. Good luck everyone. You are all in our prayers. "




I need a punk wrote on Feb 3, 2009 3:22 PM:

" Non FMI employee from another non FMI
employee. The card rooms on the internet are full of little pukes like you. Pre school must have let out early again today. "




Roxanne Musser wrote on Feb 3, 2009 3:07 PM:

" It is very sad to see FMI treating employees this way. It is even worse seeing people being cruel and mean to people that have lost their jobs, not to mention their careers and livelihoods. People should be ready to help each other to through the tough times, not kick them when they are down.

What if you had just lost your job? Think about that. "




to NON FMI employee wrote on Feb 3, 2009 3:00 PM:

" Why would you say that and be so hurtful to people when they are down, Just cause you didn't have the brains to get a job ... well what comes around goes around and I hope and pray people ignore you because you only wrote that to get a stir out of people, how sad you have to find your entertainment on here. you are a sad example of a Human Being.. Why Don't you write your name.. "




Non FMI Employee wrote on Feb 3, 2009 2:50 PM:

" HA HA HA HA!

Sell me all your toys!

HA HA HA HA! "




what is going on wrote on Feb 3, 2009 2:12 PM:

" My hubby didnt get let go on the second. They said he can work full time untill March, but then he will get paid for 20hrs a week, even if he doesnt work. Any hours they do call him in to work will be regular pay. But he is guaranteed the 20. does anybody know anything else of this? Soo confused! "




lodylou wrote on Feb 3, 2009 1:06 PM:

" How sad that FMI has basically come in an in a very short time they have destroyed Greenlee county. They don't care about the copper. All they want is the gold. And they sure don't care about their employees. What is the scoop on FMI not renewing leases to the businesses in the plaza? Does anyone know? "




Lost 29 Years - Because of 2 Months wrote on Feb 3, 2009 12:31 PM:

" Sound like that person has a good case if they can still find a good attorney. I wouldn't look around Graham County though. I'd try Tucson and do my homework first to get all my "ducks in line". That's 348 months against 2 to lose you retirement. If you have a clean record, any attorney worth his salt would take the case, rules or no rules, policy or no policy. Also check with the Fair Labor Practices Board or Commission. There should be the equivalent at the state level, if not, go federal. "




jobs wrote on Feb 3, 2009 11:47 AM:

" HR told him he did not have enough years for the retirement package. We were scored on knowledge, green cards, years of service. If you transferred to another department you were scored only for that area. So if worked in one area & had 20 years there then moved on & had 2 months there. You were scored for the 2 months & years of service. Green cards are not transferable "




concerned wrote on Feb 3, 2009 11:25 AM:

" It is hard to beleive that someone with 29 years and one of the supervisors was laid off.
Why didn't they take reirement? Or was it offered? Did this person expect that this would happen?
Is the mine closing? Have heard so many rumors. "




for Please Help wrote on Feb 3, 2009 11:08 AM:

" I heard someone say they filed for unemployment thru the internet. As for DES and assistance, I would go and stand in line at the local office. At least there you can't be hung up on or transfered to some other phone number and wait forever. Has anyone been to the local DES????? What is the time line like???? Was there any help there???? "




TO JONNA wrote on Feb 3, 2009 10:02 AM:

" The 1st laid off in november of 2008 FMI said they would pay for education and when they went to enroll at EAC they said we DO NOT have the ok from FMI to pay for your education. Regarding the 1-800 numbers i was on hold for 48 minutes and then i was given a new 1-800 number to call. still no help. "




sassylady wrote on Feb 3, 2009 10:00 AM:

" to courious
My understanding you will be told when you report to work on thursday. "




sassylady wrote on Feb 3, 2009 9:56 AM:

" Well just to let you know.My supervisor was let go yesterday as well with 29 years under his belt. The supervisor they kept has only a few months experience working for the mine. Go figure. My entire crew got laid off. myself & one other was kept. I was so upset I cried all the was home yesterday. My heart goes out to those who have lost their jobs. "




courious wrote on Feb 3, 2009 8:15 AM:

" Im on my 7 days n nobody on my crew got calls yesterday. does anyone no if their waiting to let us no when we get back or are they still making calls? "




Lynn wrote on Feb 3, 2009 8:07 AM:

" Here FMI is laying off all these employees while President James Moffett brought in 33 million on his pay stub and CEO Richard Adkerson brought in 13 million. "




Joanna wrote on Feb 3, 2009 7:57 AM:

" I heard if you go into something like a trade- nursing, electrician etc. FMI will pay you $9 an hour to go to school.
How true that is I have no idea. You may want to call the FMI employment office and see what they say.
I'm right there with you on the 1-800 number I could never get a hold of an actual person I sat on the phone for over 30 minutes and stil nothing. "




Blaine wrote on Feb 3, 2009 7:54 AM:

" To concerned wife-
What happened yesterday on Feb. 2nd was just them sending people home due to there was no need for that job at this time so they call it a leave of absense with pay.
The actual layoff is March 14-or 15th but more then likely if you got sent home on the 2nd you are gone in March. I heard they were shutting the whole mine down though so either way everyone is going to be without a job. You can get call back rights but that means they can put you where ever needed. "




miner wrote on Feb 3, 2009 7:07 AM:

" The Morenci mine is doomed. Freeport will NEVER be able to replace the skill and experience that was and is being laid off these past couple days. What a shame that the PD CEOs had to sell out and take the money and run. After freeport destroys the mine Morenci and Safford will be close behind. It's just such a shame. "




bwana wrote on Feb 3, 2009 5:09 AM:

" Drug test too expensive...

How about a mandatory strip and body cavity search instead? Anybody with dingle berries gets sent home.

You should tread the path to a being a police state very carefully; your children will thank you for it. "




PLEASE HELP wrote on Feb 2, 2009 10:35 PM:

" please work with DES and print a following article on what steps we need to take for medical, food stamps and housing for the familys. also please provide us with phone numbers for DES question? no 1-800 number please give safford numbers. thanks I Know with a family of five i will lose my car, house and washer-dryer. BIG QUESTION WILL FMI PAY FOR ANY SCHOOLING??? "




Just Wondering wrote on Feb 2, 2009 7:31 PM:

" Just wondering..... if there would have been an easier, more fair way to layoff workers at FMI. Perhaps it would have been more fair to ALL workers if a mandatory drug test would have taken place this morning when the workers came on duty. This may have done the trick! "




loco wrote on Feb 2, 2009 6:12 PM:

" to uncle craker we might see you in mexico looking for work. So VIVA LA RAZA. Mexico took over the copper trade idiot. "




concerned wife wrote on Feb 2, 2009 5:41 PM:

" So is this the last of the lay off's or is there more to come?
What a mess this has become, I hate living in fear everyday wondering about more lay off's!!
I really just wish this was all over and done with, and then when you think it is, we get another surprise and hear rumors and such! "




Seriously wrote on Feb 2, 2009 5:15 PM:

" Ok is this site to bash people are discuss the fears we all have over what's happening?? I mean be the bigger person and don't bite on any comment that is derogatory. "




lagirl wrote on Feb 2, 2009 1:26 PM:

" we need to stop bashing each other and be there to HELP each other. If we dont it will only get worse and hard for each other.

Yes, it is sad! Yes we are worried but we have to be strong and find other means.

We'll all be okay. "




Matthew 5 43 wrote on Feb 2, 2009 12:09 PM:

" "Thou shall love thy neihbor as thyself" Come on people..... I am not relious, but i have my faith. Myself as well as yours is being tested. At this point, all we have is eachother. "




observer wrote on Feb 2, 2009 11:38 AM:

" To all those who think managers and supervisors are heartless, you are wrong. This is their job, are you so ignorant that you think all this is their idea? They have spent many sleepless nights. Look at the news, there are problems all over the country, why do you think FMI owes you a job, should they continue on and lose the company? We all are hurting, lets pull together instead of blaming others. "




To Uncle Cracker wrote on Feb 2, 2009 11:29 AM:

" You sound more like a momma on crack. And your also a bigot to boot. "




FMI wrote on Feb 2, 2009 10:21 AM:

" supervisors are also being let go as well. And this is only round one! "




Just let go wrote on Feb 2, 2009 9:45 AM:

" Well I was let go this morning on a leave of absense. It is messed up how the supervisors don't have hearts it is like your done if we need you we will call you back in.
We all know where that leads.
I thought in all this supervisors and upper manangement were getting the boot too. I have yet to see one from that department leave. "




uncle cracker wrote on Feb 2, 2009 9:41 AM:

" Step it up, If you feel like you are discriminated against there is a place not to far away where you would not have to worrie about discrimination its called MEXICO! HASTA LA VISTA "




Matt Jones wrote on Feb 2, 2009 9:06 AM:

" For all the people starting rumors and talking non sense post your real name and stop telling lies and talking crap to everyone.. Handle it like men instead of talk like children. "




Dennis Green wrote on Feb 2, 2009 8:16 AM:

" to "Go Cardinals"

They were who we thought they were..... "




To Say What wrote on Feb 1, 2009 5:39 PM:

" What seems to be your problem? Maybe you need more professional help instead of what's available on the net. It's as though you will not be happy with any solution you find here. So, why waste your time here. Have you already wasted
your life? So, start over like many of the rest of us already have. And, if you've started over, do it again, you got it wrong the last time. "




Back Off wrote on Feb 1, 2009 4:53 PM:

" Say What - Take a hike troublemaker. "




stirfry wrote on Feb 1, 2009 1:12 PM:

" Everything will be shut down except SXEW, there will be a small maintenance crew on the leach fields. To repair leaks and move flows from one section to another. FMI will then be making copper for about 25 cents a pound. They can do this for many years and make millions of pounds of copper. I hope everyone can remember there grand parents talk about the great depression. SOUP LINES!!! "




say what wrote on Feb 1, 2009 11:45 AM:

" To step up, why do you think just because your mexican you have an advantage during hard times? Every race has gone through hard times and discriminations, they are no different than you. "




Curious wrote on Feb 1, 2009 11:17 AM:

" So tomorrow is the day!
Just curious on how they will tell us all. Beings they were so nice to post the points for everyone to see.
Are they dumb enough to pull everyone in as a group and say you are leaving and you will be staying? Everyone was told to come to work ready to work, that is even the ones on days off. "




Finally Someone Makes Sense wrote on Feb 1, 2009 9:35 AM:

" As "Step Up" wrote "WE NEED TO BE THERE FOR EACH OTHER!!! " - The backbiting, complaining and blaming others will not help. The only way the problems can be solved is working with each other to get ahead of this. Others have, and so can everyone else. Help each other help themselves. Remember who YOU are and make something of it. Don't knock each other down, help each other up. "




Step up wrote on Jan 31, 2009 11:14 PM:

" We will get through this!!! Quit being such whips !!i If you are Latiino your familia have been through a lot more !!! WE CAN DO IT!!! It is not the end of the world!! We have an advantage because we know what it is to suffer during hard time and discrimination! WE ARE A PROUD AND STRONG PEOPLE!! KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER WHERE YOU CAME FROM----WE NEED TO BE THERE FOR EACH OTHER!!! "




Issues wrote on Jan 31, 2009 9:57 PM:

" It is they who rely on ORGANIZED religion that have issues with which they can not cope, hence the crutch of that religion, without which they could not believe in themselves. Those who can approach and overcome the crisis' of their lives while relying on their own internal strength will survive over and above they who rely on others for help. That is not atheism, that is self reliance not self esteem (also known as self pride). And pride becomes haughtiness, which is neither "Christian" like or venerable, as reflected by your negative comment and false self worth. "




just wondering wrote on Jan 31, 2009 9:39 PM:

" To Diane Sanders, what's up with your comment section? I wrote something yesterday and had the word Hel..in it, but it couldn't be posted because of language, but yet I see you can say crap !! What is wrong with the word hel..? "




stick to the issues wrote on Jan 31, 2009 6:36 PM:

" Can the athiests find somewhere else to post all their nonsense. Find another place to draw attention to yourself. Nobody cares to hear your crap..we get it you dont believe in God. So what. This isnt about you. I suggest another planet. This post sight is in regards to the pending layoffs not your lack of self esteem, being unloved as a child, or hate for all who choose worship over empty hatred empty lives. Stop trying to shock us and get attention with your nonsense. Go away! "




Tinkeling Symbols ans Sounding Brass wrote on Jan 31, 2009 9:50 AM:

" The uneducated faithful follow the evangelicals. Faithful Christian, you should try reading Grimm's Fairy Tales, they make more sense than the Book of Revelations. It's too bad you waste your efforts in the shadow of those who's speeches are hollow. "




To faithful Christian wrote on Jan 31, 2009 9:35 AM:

" How full are your evangelical collection plates? If what you say is true, and it's not, those collection plates would be brimming over with all that money from the other "faithful" in your "church". If you find it strengthening to read the fables of "Revelations" you are sorely misled by another wanna be evangelical. "




Morenci Man wrote on Jan 31, 2009 8:22 AM:

" I have lived in Morenci and left then came back. That was the dumbest thing I could have ever done. Should of stayed gone.
Live and Learn the hard way!!!!
I do hope the supervisors have good hiding spots for Monday people didn't take it well when they were told who did the points on them.
Good luck to all I'm heading to NC. "




Sick of it already wrote on Jan 31, 2009 7:25 AM:

" Well for all your information you are so wise to put out there Get over it! They are half way getting close to shutting down the mine. The ones who will remain won't be there for long so everyone will be out of the job. OMG probably does know who is staying because most of the departments were told (mine included). And regardless what anyone says it is the butt kissers staying for now. Let's see how well the jobs do get done without co-workers to back them up and bail them out. "




Trojan wrote on Jan 31, 2009 7:21 AM:

" I was born and raised in the Clifton /Morenci area, and I left in 1983 to check out other options in my life. My wife and I moved to Tempe and yes the shock of living in the real world hit us hard ! We each have lost jobs during these years of living in the valley because of hard times. We lived thur them and still struggle today. We do what we have to do to survive you all will too. And by the way my wife just lost her job on Thur. "




faithful Christian wrote on Jan 30, 2009 9:42 PM:

" i say pray not for a miracle but for the help through the rough times because the bible pridicts this time. times will get so hard that the anti-christ will com as the massiah to relieve us from all our pain then Christ will return to prove who took the easy way out by fallowing him. read your bible it is the whole world declining and He tells us what to expect. Revalations. God bless you all even you who have no faith in the Lord. "




Get Over It wrote on Jan 30, 2009 8:19 PM:

" To OMG: How does anyone know who is going to stay and go? You should be glad that they are not going to close the whole mine down. You might be the lucky one to stay and someone you are very close with has to go. Then what, they will say that you are the butt kisser! So becareful of what is said out of your mouth because it can come back and kick you in the butt!!!! "




wrote on Jan 30, 2009 6:08 PM:

" Its disgusting how supers and managers are being blamed for this. Did you stop to think how many of them are going to be RIFFED to? Pull your heads out and think about it...the number will be large. "




dsk wrote on Jan 30, 2009 2:35 PM:

" It is sad to hear that Safford works together, by all cutting hours and days still keeping 40 hour wks. To keep their employees. While Morince cuts each other throat. Points up their are for the clicks and family member. Not given out fair "




So sad a concept wrote on Jan 30, 2009 1:59 PM:

" I don't work at FMI at all. I guarentee you many people around here will contribute to the thousands of $$ in alcohol sales you talked about, no matter what their situation is. My comment was in general, not pointed at you...calm down.

It's all about the ant and the grasshopper! Have we learned our lesson yet? "




Facts wrote on Jan 30, 2009 1:26 PM:

" All over North and South America, miners are losing their jobs as the recession hits demand for metals that enjoyed a boom in recent years.

In Chile, where copper mining is a major contributor to the economy, unions estimated 14,000 jobs have been lost. Peru reported more than 5,000 layoffs and Mexico put the number of out-of-work mine workers at 2,000.

Canadian government data show payrolls in the coal, metal and nonmetallic mineral sector fell 11.5 percent in the second half of 2008, as falling metals prices prompted mine closures and smaller exploration budgets.
. "




OMG wrote on Jan 30, 2009 1:25 PM:

" OMG! you can tell which people are staying and which are going. The ones who are staying are acting so fake like if they were that good at their job before this all came about.
The butt sniffers are the least capiable of doing a job. It is the hard workers that made up for them that is why they get to stay. Not due to they are doing a tremendous job. "




Hey Believer wrote on Jan 30, 2009 12:26 PM:

" What ever in this world gave you the idea that you had to believe in a God to have high moral standards? Only members of organized religion believe that they have to be forgiven for transgressions. All transgressions are defined by religion. If a human doesn't know right from wrong in his own mind, then he is not human but only an animal. Religion is an excuse to collect money, from those who don't know that they have their own "moral compass". And by the way it doesn't cost them anything, and it doesn't wear out! "




To Believer wrote on Jan 30, 2009 11:16 AM:

" A belief in a Supreme Entity and believing in an ORGANIZED RELIGION are two different things. Man has required prayer. The driving force of this universe does not. If that's what you need however, join the aborigines and go right ahead. It's a free country . . . so far. There is no h*ll or heaven but what humans create here on earth for themselves. Prove otherwise by divulging facts, real proof. Have faith in yourself, not smoke and mirrors created by man. The collection plate is the only thing all powerful in religion. "




to sad concept wrote on Jan 30, 2009 10:18 AM:

" Did I ever say I was taking food out my kids mouths? No I didnt. I said the rumor mill going around is not true. but then again you must be a supervisor from FMI because you skimmed the comment and took it upon yourself to read into it. "




So sad a concept wrote on Jan 30, 2009 8:24 AM:

" You actually called the store to see if they are still selling alcohol for Superbowl Sunday???? "They would loose thousands of dollars" on alcohol sales>>> Is that 1 dollar for everyone who looses a job?? That's the lamest thing I've ever heard of....have some prioreties people. With all the sad things going on in the valley, alcohol should be the lowest on the list. But then again, who needs food in your kids' mouths when you yourself can drink during the football game? "




People are amazing wrote on Jan 30, 2009 7:51 AM:

" People are trying to get all kinds of rumors started to get people riled up. In 1983 there was riots, This is 2009 and nothing to riot about.
Remember: Doing anything aginst the company or company housing will follow you everywhere. The next job or house you rent. The company has your SS# and it will follow you- You will loose all benefits and be jailed and fined- so play it smart people "




Why contd wrote on Jan 30, 2009 7:48 AM:

" Better yet call the stores and they will confirm they are still selling it- Its super bowl weekend they would loose thousands.

5. No truck drivers have already been given notice that Sunday is their last day "




Why wrote on Jan 30, 2009 7:47 AM:

" 1. Why would need National Guard? No one can prevent loss of our jobs. Its everywhere, not just Morenci.

2. There is school in Morenci Monday

3. Law enforcement will be here Monday in Townsite just in case

4. They can not ask the stores to stop selling alcohol- its a federal law look it up "




Wished it was over with wrote on Jan 30, 2009 4:32 AM:

" Well I guess we will all see on Monday which we were told is not the actual lay off date it is called you will be on a leave of absense until the actual layoff in March. Same thing!! Once you are asked to leave that day you are pretty much gone.
With the voluntary they are giving out again really look it over before signing anything because there is a hidden clause you may not be able to collect unemployment. The company may allow you too but the state may not. "




Believer wrote on Jan 30, 2009 12:13 AM:

" I would much rather believe in something (Christianity) that promotes a moral lifestyle and gives me the chance to go to Heaven, than not believe in anything. What a dull, meaningless existance that would be! In the end, if I'm wrong about there being a God, then I was just wrong. However, if you're wrong "To Mary", then you get to burn in Hel*. I will take my chances and believe! Keep on prayin' Mary and God bless you!!! "




Truth wrote on Jan 29, 2009 8:34 PM:

" The rumors about the following is false:

1. The National Guard coming to Morenci.
(Please talk to the local authorities 928-865-4149).

2. Alcohol not being sold in Greenlee County. (Talk to the Greenlee Sheriff Office 928-865-4149).

Don't believe rumors on this post - If any questions; talk to you local law enforcement or authorities.

The layoff's in Morenci is due to economic situtations that is out of the control of FMI. The economy is bad and you can't blame the corporations for this. "




community wrote on Jan 29, 2009 3:07 PM:

" We can make a difference...helping, volenteering, listening to our neighbors, praying, cooking or we can just sit and blog. I love all my neighbors in Graham and Greelee county...I want to do my part to help. Please have faith many many of us are here for you, do not dispair. "




Makes Sense To Me wrote on Jan 29, 2009 1:36 PM:

" With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
- Steven Weinberg "




Regarding Mary wrote on Jan 29, 2009 1:30 PM:

" So "Hail Mary" - Does everyone feel good now? Join the club and do something TANGIBLE. I read no "bashing" in any comments regarding Mary. But there were considerable comments regarding prayer. If you expect miracles so do the others across the whole country. There doesn't seem to be any forthcoming, so it would be suggested that one fend for one's self, and pretty soon at that. It's been quite some time since the miners were put on notice. The human being is supposed to be the superior species. So, prove it. "




Defending Mary wrote on Jan 29, 2009 12:44 PM:

" Stop bashing Mary. It is her right to say and believe whatever she chooses just as it is your right to promote hatred , judgement and anger. You know nothing about her or her situation. Choosing not to believe in God is your choice praying for us and asking us to have faith is hers. No need to be so cruel and judgemental at a person's kind words in troubled times. "




SoSorry wrote on Jan 29, 2009 12:32 PM:

" I was born and raised in Morenci. I have seen from afar how so many people have abused their income instead of saving for a rainy day. Nothing good lasts forever. Everyone needs to realize it's not FMI doing anything you. Its what our entire country is going through right now. I understand the pain but you along with so many hundreds of thousands of people are going through the same thing. Its time to look at your future and start to plan for a new one. Pray together instead of fighting each other. "




humbled wrote on Jan 29, 2009 12:27 PM:

" Only the President or Govenor can order the National Guard to come in . I think they have better ways of spending tax dollars than coming over here to make sure we "behave ourselves".
I feel for each and everyone of us. None of us saw this coming. Noone deserves this. Every person who took the time to post comments had something to say and something to share. Bottom line is we are all hurting. I light a candle on your behalf and pray for better days. Good luck all my friends and family. God bless Us. "




To Mary wrote on Jan 29, 2009 12:01 PM:

" Wake up and smell the acrid aroma of empty wallets. You need to throw down your crutch (religion) and pull yourself up instead of waiting for some human generated myth to pick you up. It sounds like you are not at risk, but others are. The empty words won't help them now. That mythical entity is no more than a whiff of air waiting for you to fill the collection plate on an empty promise. "




Mary wrote on Jan 29, 2009 9:39 AM:

" If we would just start to pray as a community, we could get farther in all
this layoff mess. I belive that prayer is
very powerful. I invite you to all start asking God to help us. With GOD everything is possable. Don't give up. "




why shouldnt they wrote on Jan 29, 2009 8:44 AM:

" I think the National Guard is a good safety precaution. Earlier this week fights came very close to breaking out on the mine premisis between employees! Tension is high everywhere and you can certainly feel it. With all the "angry miner" posts on just this web site, can you blame them for anticipating violence on Monday?? They have every reason to believe that some people will react with that type of barbaric behavior! "




Unfair wrote on Jan 29, 2009 2:20 AM:

" I feel they should of sent people down from the benefits office in Phoenix to handle the point system. Guiding principal book 1 point for every year you have worked. 50 points for being a skilled worker. Points for safety, production, and attendance. That did not happen here. This should be called the buddy system instead of following the right procedure in the guiding principal book. Rightfully I believe they need to redo their errors and start over the correct way. They should of never allowed HR or Supervisors to do the point system. "




Waiting wrote on Jan 28, 2009 10:01 PM:

" You all can do what you want, but I am waiting for my Obama money! He will take care of us. Hallowed be the Messiah, Barack H. Obama! "




thz wrote on Jan 28, 2009 9:50 PM:

" the mill is shutting down on monday "




grape vine wrote on Jan 28, 2009 8:48 PM:

" is it true that the NATIONAL GAURD will be there when the lay off the miners on feb. 2 ????? "




Word on the Street wrote on Jan 28, 2009 5:06 PM:

" What's this about the National Gaurd on Monday?
No Kids @ school......

It's just a job people, we must learn to uproot and re-establish. Some think intelligence is all books and diplomas but the real test is being able to adapt and survive in this ever changing environment.

God Bless all of you and stay strong.

"How much more important are you than birds!" (Luke 12:24) "




Go Cardinals wrote on Jan 28, 2009 2:21 PM:

" We are all in the same boat with nothing we can do about it. I am a true believer that chaos creates oppurtunities so spruce up your resumes and get them out there...In the meantime enjoy what the Cards have done and spend sometime with family and friends for an awesome superbowl GO CARDINALS! "




EYESWIDEOPEN wrote on Jan 28, 2009 1:39 PM:

" Everyone needs to quit whining and accept the fact of what's going to happen. It's business not personal. FMI is looking out for themselves and it's either eat or be eaten. Maybe we should have all saved our money instead of buying rhinos, trailers, 4 wheelers, crew cab 4x4 trucks and living payday to payday as if it was never going to end. I will be unemployed as of Feb, 2. I was an idiot to spend the way I did. "




What to do now wrote on Jan 28, 2009 1:22 PM:

" God help everyone who is going to be affected by the layoffs. What are the long time Graham County residents to do now? There are no other jobs in the area and the market is going to be flooded with people searching for jobs. What we all need to do is band together and get rid of the county's massive dependence on the mine. This is the only long term cure. "




Missing free market wrote on Jan 28, 2009 1:18 PM:

" If the US still had a TRUE free market economy all of these layoffs wouldnt be happening! The companies would realize that massive layoffs are going to eventually hurt the company as demand will suffer because jobless people cannot afford their products. Instead these companies are just hoping for a government bailout. "




To Shaesca wrote on Jan 28, 2009 1:14 PM:

" Just to make things clearer...the reason that FMI stock soared as the company announced its $13 Billion loss was because the Wall Street analysts expected that the company would report a larger loss. The analysts saw the smaller loss as a sign that the company is stronger than expected. "




bwana wrote on Jan 28, 2009 12:59 PM:

" Just google deregulation and Senator Phil Gramm if you don't believe me! Do some research and you'll see that what I said is common knowledge. "




Shaesca wrote on Jan 28, 2009 12:27 PM:

" To concerned...So, because you think that this is just the way things are it is OK for those being laid off to just bend over and keep taking it? Huge losses and the rise is the cost of FMI stocks don't compute with me. I am no math whiz, but it makes no sense. Lose 13 billinon and make 20 billion in stock sales. it is all corporate BS and the ones that suffer are the ones that keep the CEOs in big money...the mine workers. That pittance could pay a miners bills for years! "




TO FORMER SAFFORD RESEDENT wrote on Jan 28, 2009 11:38 AM:

" FANNIE MAE AND FREDDY MAC WERE THE FIRST TO FALL BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE BUISNESS OF BUYING DEFAULTED LOANS NOT LENDING MONEY. THEY BOUGHT DEFAULTED LOANS THEN SOLD THEM TO BROKERS AT A PROFIT. JUST THOUGHT YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW "




Former Safford Resident wrote on Jan 28, 2009 11:15 AM:

" To Bwana - Stop trying to rewrite history! In 2003 and 2005 President Bush, along with John McCain and others tried to get Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac regulated and brought under control. The DEMOCRAT controlled congress wouldn't let them. In fact, they instructed the two to make more home loans available to low income people.There is recorded testimony from Pelosi, Byrd, and others testifying the two were solvent, doing well, and should be left alone. Right. Those two are the ones that failed first because those loans were defaulted on , setting up the rest to fall. "




Over it wrote on Jan 28, 2009 8:55 AM:

" Courier! Dont you know when enough is enough! Everyones comments are about rumors and fighting, Its over, lets talk about how to help people... "




What wrote on Jan 28, 2009 8:28 AM:

" To Concerned: Your post makes no sense. You call what the CEO's get a "pittance"? Investors invest because they want to make money. The CEO is there to make sure the investors make money and If that means getting rid of people on the front line, then that's what they do. THAT is why the CEO's STILL GET PAID during times like these and even when they don't get paid as much as they would in GOOD times, I would hardly call their pay a "pittance". "




long time resident wrote on Jan 28, 2009 7:14 AM:

" I am surprised by the amount of "shock and surprise" over the layoffs. It's a mining community, everyone here should have had it in the back of their minds that the price of copper could fall and layoffs would follow. It happened when PD owned us and it will happen with all the next owners of the company. It's a fact of life here. My family is looking at being laid off just like everyone elses, it's tragic yes, but we also know its a fact of life in the mining world. "




bwana wrote on Jan 28, 2009 5:19 AM:

" No, the amount that I am paid is a pittance compared to a CEO. Corporate greed shares some of the responsibility for sticking it to the workers!
In fact, greed is the reason for the whole financial mess. There used to be controls in place to prevent the meltdown, but the republicans (Phil Gramm, among others), deregulated the market allowing greed to boil over and destabilize the economy. "




todays events wrote on Jan 27, 2009 11:21 PM:

" WOW! Is it ever going to end? Freeports latest today is a package offer for Safford and Morenci employees to resign voluntarily right before the layoff.
They just never cease to amaze me. We are like animals in cages with Freeport poking us with daggers..take this...take this..take this. Talk about torture. ENOUGH ALREADY. "




Concerned wrote on Jan 27, 2009 8:34 PM:

" I am sorry for everybody that has been let go or about to be let go. The emotional toll must be unbearable. Posts like Shaesca's add fuel to the fire and do nothing to ease your burden. Investors put money into companies for a variety of reasons, least of which is how much a CEO pays him or herself. Perhaps it was due to cutbacks. Investors like companies that are "leaner". However keep it in perspective... the amount that the CEO is paid is a pittance compared to that 4th quarter loss. "




Shaesca wrote on Jan 27, 2009 4:05 PM:

" The Sierra Vista Herald Newspaper, (EA Courier and SV Herald both owned by Wick Communications) reported FMI had a $13.9 Billion loss for the fourth quarter. Yet stock shares jumped from $2.13 to $24.94 a share. The rise in stock price due to FMI's cut backs. It's all about the $$$$...Employees are expendable in order to feed the CEOs. I wonder why this article wasn't in the Courier???????? "




Get Over It wrote on Jan 27, 2009 2:26 PM:

" No, I am not one of the ones that got scored. I was laid off. I do agree with how it was told to each of the departments but it is not the employees fault for the scores. Some are hard workers and deserved their score and then there are others that don't work at all that don't deserve the scores that they got but there is not a d*** thing that we can do about it. It is done!!!! "




Water wrote on Jan 27, 2009 1:31 PM:

" To Get over it.
Your right they don't complain they just suck a little butt and get their way. Big difference in one who does acutally work and deserves the points.
Everyone can say what they want about the ones who scored higher then them it is totally wrong and unfair on how this all went down. If you don't agree then we know you are one of the butt kissers. "




annoyed wrote on Jan 27, 2009 11:32 AM:

" hello - PD DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE!!!!! Quit saying how much better it would be if they still ran Morenci! "




dirt road wrote on Jan 27, 2009 10:30 AM:

" a few tears ago copper prices were under 70 cents
and there were no layoffs. seems like p-d could
teach fmi a few business managing lessons. "




Get Over It wrote on Jan 27, 2009 10:26 AM:

" All I see on here is bashing of the company, managers, supers, and fellow co-workers. If you have not lived the mining life all your life, then you should not have anything to say about what is going on here. If you could do better somehwere else, then leave and good luck to you. And, as far as someone scoring a 5, that does not mean that they walk on water. It means that they are not ones that complain like the rest of YOU! "




allready laid off wrote on Jan 27, 2009 8:45 AM:

" The rest of you in Morenci are lucky you got a 60 day notice I did not. My advice is start looking now times are tough and jobs are far and few between.Good luck to all and belive me there is life after the company SOME WHERE "




Non-Sequitur wrote on Jan 27, 2009 8:04 AM:

" Freeport-McMoRan Copper & Gold plans to reduce its copper production 9% and cut molybdenum output 25% in the year ahead, as well as halve its capital expenditure budget to $1.3 billion this year.

In a conference call with analysts Monday to discuss financial results, Freeport President and CEO Richard Adkerson said the company plans to cut copper production 17% and moly output 40% in 2010. "




To Everyoe wrote on Jan 26, 2009 10:29 PM:

" I understand most of you know nothing else besides what you do for work at PHELPS DODGE! Yes I know it is sad. You have trucks, toys, income tax with that nice little bonus from Obama. What you need to do is stop thinking this is bad. Think of it as a blessing in disguise Down grade your llifestyles.Go back to school. Where one door closes two doors open. God bless evvyone..Im doing it now. I didnt think I could do it but Im doing it. 35 2 kids and a mortgage. "




5th generation miner wrote on Jan 26, 2009 8:52 PM:

" I've been born and raised in Morenci I'm a 5th generation miner. Morenci is as Morenci has always been. Weather its Freeport or Phelps Dodge running the show. All our heads are on the chopping block. Point and scores make no difference if they want you gone they'll find a way to justify getting rid of you. So if u don't know or bl*w your supervisor then your gone. If you go to work everyday to do your job and not socialize I'll see you on the other side of this job. God Bless!!!! "




HEY wrote on Jan 26, 2009 6:24 PM:

" Instead of arguing with eachother, maybe you should use your internet time to find another job? Whats the use of arguing back in forth on here? Everyone is affected by this layoff...there is nothing anybody can do about it so just take it as it is and do what you got to do. "




sam wrote on Jan 26, 2009 6:13 PM:

" fab 5 ya! right there only one kind of supervisors that works hard! do i have to say it? "




other end of the stick wrote on Jan 26, 2009 4:28 PM:

" I see many of you are blaming Freeport and acting like Phelps Dodge would have saved you, but last time copper dropped PD cut the throats of the working man at all the other mines they owned, so that their precious flag ship could remain running. Maybe you should have worked harder at reducing your production costs! "




FMI the bad guy wrote on Jan 26, 2009 2:21 PM:

" This from a news article "Freeport-McMoRan Copper and Gold increased production cuts at its already-curtailed Morenci copper mine in Arizona, but still sees strong demand for its metal in the long run and would be positioned to take advantage of a rapid pick up in demand, company executives said Monday." This proves FMI doesnt care about the people and feel nothing about the damage they are doing. Let'em go now and find some bodies later. No big deal to them. "




4 ur info wrote on Jan 26, 2009 12:31 PM:

" I know someone who got 5's across the board and he sure in the heck doesn't walk on water. He just knows how to kiss the right persons butt!!!!! "




anxious wrote on Jan 26, 2009 12:03 PM:

" Didn't anyone read the WARN Act letter sent in the mail? FMI stated "the 1st group of affected Morenci employees may experience a layoff during the 14 day period beginning on March 16." February 2, the majority of the affected employees will be placed on a paid leave of absence. 2-2-09 is NOT the layoff date.
As far as going union, that would not save anyone from being laid off. The Chino mine near Silver City, NM was (mostly) union and hundreds were laid off. "




FAB5 wrote on Jan 26, 2009 10:14 AM:

" For those of you blaming the "supervisors" for this lay off. I'm sure if you wanted to move up in the ladder you would be doing what you have to do. There are plenty of supervisors that have worked very hard to be where they are at right now. There is no need to blame anybody ---it's hard times and it's not just happening in Morenci/Safford. "




loco wrote on Jan 26, 2009 6:56 AM:

" distrought miner I hate to say this but evey
body is replaceable. I feel sorry for all of you but the suns a b*&**& . FMI can never replace the knowledge most of you had at doing your job. Phelps Dodge knew this was coming. That's why they got out ahead of time. Sorry People I hope you find work soon. "




Fuh-Knee-Shin wrote on Jan 25, 2009 11:01 PM:

" Good point, Distrought. Many lifelong residents were forced out of town due to skyrocketing rents. I moved away in 2006 when they started jacking up my rent. Some may be ok with paying $800 monthly to live at Scumcrest, but I'm not one of those people, especially when you can get a MUCH nicer apt in Phoenix for significantly less. Now people are being forced out due to layoffs... It's very unfortunate all around, something to ponder next time a slick headed copper CEO proposes that we bomb the Gila Mountains in the name of "Economic Development" "




more confused than ever wrote on Jan 25, 2009 10:00 PM:

" I'm reading all this and want to know where everyone is getting their information? So if we have high points we stay? How many points equals high enough to stay?Are you saying a person who scored high can still get laid off? Then why have points? How can those with alot of years not be safe they get a point for every year? How are sups moving to other positions already? I thought they just got laid off like us. So we all go and they all stay? Then whose going to do all the hard and real work? "




greenlee veteran wrote on Jan 25, 2009 9:44 PM:

" I've been here all my life. Getting laid off weighs heavily on my mind. I'm not old enough to retire and I dont want to start over somewhere else. I've been the blood and sweat of this company 30 years and now feel like what is it all worth. Phelps Dodge would have never been this drastic this fast. They never would've overspent like Freeport. They knew how to ride the high and lows of the metal market and took care of their people. Copper isnt that low. Freeport is just greedy and heartless. God Bless All of Us. "




stirfry wrote on Jan 25, 2009 5:50 PM:

" What we need is the UNION!!!! Layoffs should be based on seniority I have seen suck butts, fly up the ladder to success. Within months. They can talk the talk just like Obama!!!! "




Distrought Miner wrote on Jan 25, 2009 5:15 PM:

" Let's say Morenci Shuts down. When they want to reopen it when copper has rebounded, Jim Bob the Knob Moffet won't have anyone to work here because he drove all of us away. He will lose in the end. "




what its about wrote on Jan 25, 2009 3:47 PM:

" well as far as i can say, if your not drinking buddies/golf buddies/ party buddies, bar hopping buddies with yoru supervisor your score sucked. You have to be best friends with yours to get ahead.

IT'S GONNA BE A SAD WEEK. "




Waiting wrote on Jan 25, 2009 3:18 PM:

" How can you not panic? How can you think positive? The lives of so many people and their families may have to live out on the streets or in their cars due to the lay off and no other jobs available out there.
FMI should have thought more when they were making the money from copper, instead of spending it like crazy. What's the saying if you don't have the money to buy it then don't go in debt trying to buy something you can't afford. "




HOG WASHHHHH wrote on Jan 25, 2009 3:09 PM:

" How can you say that the point system will help those with more years? I have alot of years with the company and have had no safety accidents etc. But yet some dude came in a year ago and out beat alot of the scores. It is not going to help you either way you look at it. Maybe they should get rid of Peter, Hunter and Jamie and let their families go through what everyone else is having too.....Let us point system the upper manangement see who is left standing then. "




dont panic yet wrote on Jan 25, 2009 10:53 AM:

" Everyone needs to CALM DOWN. That is easier said than done when you're facing a layoff BUT we are all in a state of panic. We reduced cost by cutting to 25% and we still lost too much money so we are cutting back 50%. Hunter and Jamie aren't leaving but the reality for them too is we don't need three to run if we are cutting production 50%. EVERYONE is worried about their job but the point system WILL help retain those with higher points and more years. Copper will rebound out of recession. HAVE FAITH. THINK POSITIVELY. "




annonymous in PHX wrote on Jan 25, 2009 9:57 AM:

" I feel very badly for those who are about to loose thier livlihoods. It's a very great loss. All I can say is keep your head up and be strong. As for people like "mexican" and "ex-safford resident", can't you just be nice for once and just say "I'm sorry you're all loosing your jobs." Instead you have to be hateful and bring up crap that happened 25 yrs ago. Remember these are human beings who are facing a tough time. Do the right thing and have some compassion. "




Boggled wrote on Jan 25, 2009 9:34 AM:

" HR said there is nothing you can do about your points but if you want you can fight it on the 9th. Hello the 2nd is the layoff we will all be gone by then so what the heck are you all smoking!! Here they gave guys points that were deployed how is that and they ranked higher then the people physically there. So wrong how they can screw with peoples lives and not have a bit of sympathy for anyone as long as they are taken care of. "




miner wrote on Jan 25, 2009 5:11 AM:

" The whole point system is really the buddy system, it's all a rigged game. But it really does not matter because jimbob moffett wants to shut Morenci down. Hunter White talked jimbob out of it twice already. Since Hunter is resigning now Morenci is doomed. Peter Quinn and Jamie davis see the writing on the wall, they are all leaving. BYE BYE MORENCI "




confused wrote on Jan 24, 2009 8:35 PM:

" In the letter it stated there were bumping rights. HR says there aren't. If laid off your're gone. It said sups had no bumping rights. My supervisor already left to another position this week. He said good luck you guys this will be severe for our department. He didnt have to do points but still has a job (or someone elses now) That sounds like a bump to me. What good are points? I scored 80 if they cut but dont move us we're out. High scores low scores no scores makes no difference. "




pita wrote on Jan 24, 2009 7:14 PM:

" if you feel hr and management aren't on the up & up contact the ethics hotline. i have in the past and it does seem to work. but you can't know unless you try. "




Calm wrote on Jan 24, 2009 5:35 PM:

" Wow I totally agree with the last 3 comments. I'm not holding anything against my co-workers why they didn't score themselves. But I do agree with the brown nosing to get ahead. And the supervisors and HR need to research before they can even give a point out. "




Angry wrote on Jan 24, 2009 7:54 AM:

" Apparently your supervisor was wrong, we have someone who received great scores across the board so he/she is walking on water.He/ she is special and smarter then all of us. It's even posted that he/she is.
When you have 5 people being scored on the same skills and the one that gets the highest was trained by 3 of them. Which was our job to begin with, but I guess the ones who have dirt on their noses usually come out ahead in everything. Proven right there on the scores........... "




FYI wrote on Jan 24, 2009 7:32 AM:

" Did you know that a supervisor can come to your department and try to take your job? The super can't do it within his department but can go elsewhere? How freaking ignorant is that? We are going to get rid of good employees for the screwed up supers who know they will be laid off. So watch out either way your going to lose your job..........
I would rather everyone go instead of keeping them working out there. But like the one said it will all be shut down right after the 2nd !!!!!!!!!!!!! "




Frustrated wrote on Jan 24, 2009 7:26 AM:

" Bashing HR for the simple fact they are the ones who helped put the point system together and have totally screwed it up. Along with the supers!
You tell me a person that runs over a ATV with a truck within the last year can score a 10 in safety and then you have someone with no accidents that scored a 0 in safety. How is that possible? The HR department and supers need to get it together and do the right thing. That is why HR is here ; to help us with problems not cause them. "




Sorr about the truth wrote on Jan 23, 2009 3:19 PM:

" Sups doing sups!! behind locked closed doors!!! Amazing how it will go down when everybody in the dept goes to HR!!
Just wait and see how your spouses get wind of it!! "




Wake up wrote on Jan 23, 2009 2:52 PM:

" All of you keep complaining about being given scores and not given where the cut off is. Well duh if they did that they might as well had the layoff the day the scores were posted. Other wise all the people below the line would know they were gone and that would not be the smartest decision to have 1500+ layed off employees running around out there. Think about it. Besides your lucky you had a chance to question them. "




Read the guidlines wrote on Jan 23, 2009 11:06 AM:

" Pg. 21 Of the Guiding Principles states 4 is: "exhibits the ability to perform and currently utilizes the skill proficiently" 5 is: "recognized expert, performs the skill with precision and expertise". eval scale and "points" scale are two different things- in this scale you can either get a 4 or a 5 if you've done the job in the past year. So why should people who do the job "ok" and people who do the job "great" both get a 4?? 4's should be for people just skating and 5's should be for people doing their job well! "




WOW wrote on Jan 23, 2009 9:13 AM:

" Why is everyone bashing HR? we should know by now we are looking at a possible shut down even after 1550 are gone. Unless Copper goes through the roof in the next 10 days. "




point system wrote on Jan 23, 2009 8:08 AM:

" The point system was rolled out and this is a direct quote from my boss. "No one scored 5's all across the board beacuse that would mean you walk on water"
he aslo said that the supervisors had input on scoring. It was production, safety, attendance and from past evaluations. they did not give a number so that you would know what you needed to be retained.
However HR are the ones not passing information down. HR should have made a baseline for points- This is what you need if you are under then U know "




Non-Sequitur wrote on Jan 23, 2009 7:39 AM:

" Its Freeport McMoran Inc. in Miami not BHP.

BHP is out at Pinto Valley. "




really wrote on Jan 23, 2009 6:46 AM:

" The HR department in Morenci couldnt find their bums with two hands and a flash light everyday is a different story.
I think all of them here are pathalogical liars. Good luck with trying to get your score to change. They already have their "Core" workers they want to keep. The decision has been made and those of us who didnt score high enough will be out the gate. "




cut the BS already wrote on Jan 23, 2009 6:43 AM:

" Everyday going into work is like going in front of the firing squad- you wonder how many times the gun will jam before a bullet hits you- JUST TELL US ALREADY who is being retained and WHO IS NOT. "




HR needs to quit being evasive wrote on Jan 23, 2009 6:41 AM:

" The HR department in Morenci s**&^!!!
THey need to be forthryte with everyone and quit playing the "I dont know" game. And so does housing. Let us know where we stand. Tell us okay you and you are staying and you four over there are not. People will take it better knowing the truth instead of their stupid little kindergarten games. "




The scoop contd wrote on Jan 23, 2009 6:39 AM:

" HR posted my departments scores yesterday. When people asked what is the bar fo being able to retain your job, they said we havent established that guideline yet. So my question is this- you score us but cant tell us the number needed to be retained, why did you post numbers? And believe me looking at evryone else's numbers to know where you are does not help- because years of service out weighs skill level. Yes you do have 10 days to problem solve, but good luck with that process "




The scoop contd wrote on Jan 23, 2009 6:36 AM:

" because it is virtually impossible. You may have scored a 5 in one, maybe two areas, but to get a straight 5 across the board is not going to happen. this is his direct quote "It would mean you walk on water, and no one does that" So its like the annual evals- everyone is just okay they are at the average of everyone else, not great but not bad- And I think the system sucks and so does HR by not helping to understand what is going on "




The scoop wrote on Jan 23, 2009 6:33 AM:

" In answer to to why did we get a 4 instead of a 5.
Yesterday I spoke with my boss and this is what he had to say- The supervisors had input about the numbers system. It is based off of safety, production and your last few evaluations. HR then input what they call "a reasonable" number into the computer. So the bosses did but didnt have much to do with the numbers.
Also My boss said no one gets a 5 "




bwana wrote on Jan 23, 2009 6:22 AM:

" Too bad!
Sounds like BHP is @ OMZD...Financially. "




Pondering wrote on Jan 23, 2009 4:24 AM:

" Alot of people are being told the points don't matter ummm yes it does, the lower score determines who will be let go.
All I have to say is that the points were pencil whipped and not done fairly.
And yes I am boo hoo ing! The supers should have took the time to do the points and researched what one did.
Hopefully those who cheated for their buddies karma will come back on them. "




Really low wrote on Jan 23, 2009 4:20 AM:

" Well if you scored low points over someone who had safety issues you know that the scores (points) are being fudged.
And yes I am taking it to problem solving. What good it will do beings they all stick together and don't see the right from the wrong in what they have done. "




Devil in Me wrote on Jan 22, 2009 4:18 PM:

" I spoke with one of the high ups this morning at BHP in Miami. They are closing the mine for good everyone there is getting layed off. "




me wrote on Jan 22, 2009 3:35 PM:

" There is no point worrying about whats going to happen tomorrow, or next week, we can just take it as it comes and put it in gods hands. We ought to just be thankful we still got our jobs. I agree about the comments bout the supervisors. But all you haters stop hating. My heart goes out to the families who have lost there job. "




I heard from inside wrote on Jan 22, 2009 1:55 PM:

" Not unless the copper goes to $1 or less "




curious wrote on Jan 22, 2009 1:49 PM:

" Ive heard several people say that the safford mine will shut completly. Why is this? Or is this just jelous Morenci EX employees hoping that Safford will get the ax? Thanks in advance for any info you can share. "




family mom wrote on Jan 22, 2009 12:56 PM:

" please people, we should follow the example of the chinese people. up to five and six familys live in one household. this way if one gets laidoff the others are there to HELP out. why can we be human and help one another. all this fighting has to stop. remember gorge hom from wal-mart. how many familys were together in one household. let see mom and dad himself with his beautiful children, and his bother. thats four family in one roof. lets all please get along. PLEASE "




Heidi wrote on Jan 22, 2009 10:15 AM:

" No I am not the same Heidi you talk about in the cafeteria. I am not employeed in this valley with any employeers here. My husband is yes. I wasn't trying to push ANYONE's buttons or be rude in anyway. Not my nature to be. So I apoligize if anyone took what I said wrong. I feel for the ppl affected all over the country losing jobs. I hope those who are affected by layoffs can quickly recover. And those who are not affected, I hope can pray for those who are. Best wishes to all. "




Just Sayin wrote on Jan 22, 2009 10:05 AM:

" The supervisors in some departments are claiming they had nothing to do with the scoring- if that's true who are the people responsible for the scores? Some employees want to know the reason they got a 4 instead of a 5 and no one can tell them why! Just remember you have 10 days to Problem Solve your score- if you have a problem with yours, do something about fixing it or quit crying about favortism etc. "




Who Cares wrote on Jan 22, 2009 9:03 AM:

" FMI should lay off all the little cheese balls who drive around their pick em up trucks with buggy whips who think they are special. Too many of them who don't know how to work anyway. "




Goliath wrote on Jan 22, 2009 4:36 AM:

" Like the saying goes what comes around goes around!!! "




Totally agree wrote on Jan 22, 2009 4:34 AM:

" Yep the point way of doing things is a crock. Especially when you have a guy out there busting his butt for 20 some years on one piece of equipment due to the supervisor command and in one spot and you get a lower score then others. But then again you had other guys out there on one piece of equipment for same years that get a high score. Favoritisum!!! Politics "




Wrong wrote on Jan 22, 2009 4:28 AM:

" I agree with you on the point system they gave out. Whoevers idea it was to post it so the whole departments could see your score was wrong.
They are asking for a hostile workplace.
Who is going to score the supervisors, superintendents etc. They should all get a 0 for their job performance, communication, skills, etc. You can't call yourself a supervisor is you don't know your own job or what others around you do. "




nobodys job is safe wrote on Jan 22, 2009 1:30 AM:

" And i'll say it again. No ones job is safe. Nurses, tech's doctors whatever your job there is a CHANCE you could be laid off, yah sure go out and find another/relocate be my guest but quit with the holy "i cant get laid off i work in medicine" crap..... "




ohbrother wrote on Jan 22, 2009 1:28 AM:

" Heidi- no dear you did not hit a sour spot with me i dont know for the other person. But i to have an awesome job that im hoping will not be affected by this ression. maybe me and you are in the same profession being we both love what we do? Maybe your that "one" girl we talk about in the cafeteria. maybe, just maybe. I know a heidi at my job. tsk, tsk, if its you. "




What a day wrote on Jan 22, 2009 1:26 AM:

" I ranked 39/80. this is gonna suck. "




This is a Shady World wrote on Jan 21, 2009 5:19 PM:

" Well today at FMI the points where given out to each employee. The point system doesn't go with the guiding principals at all. If you look at pg 21 in the guiding principals it tells you how it works. You have supervisors basing points on favortisum not on production, skills or safety. If a supervisor was doing his/or her job the ones that actually work would have gotten more points for what they do. How can a supervisor base anything when some of them don't actually know you're job. They came from other departments assuming they know. "




Non-Sequitur wrote on Jan 21, 2009 1:24 PM:

" You can read about the BHP layoffs at Pinto Valley on their web site, it is in their second half report page 3 last para on copper, this is what it says "In the December 2007 quarter, we opportunistically restarted copper sulphide mining at Pinto
Valley (USA) to take advantage of the market conditions at the time. This is a short life and high
cost operation, and as such is uneconomic in the current environment. During February 2009 we
will place the sulphide mining operation on care and maintenance."
The mine told employees yesterday it would effect 600 emplloyees. "




Its brutal out there wrote on Jan 21, 2009 1:01 PM:

" Rio tinto a while back stated they will find out from Freeport on the 26th of January what cuts will be made to their jointly owned mine in Indonesia. I presume all desicions on closures, layoffs will also be done at that date as well. Most certainly all cutbacks will be mentioned when FMI releases there 4th quarter financial results which should be out shortly. In the 3rd quarter they reduced production by 50% at Safford, since then copper prices have gone down, one has to prepare for the eventual closing of the Safford Mine "




safford resident wrote on Jan 21, 2009 12:48 PM:

" 550 jobs will be lost at the miami mine by bhp. Article on azstarnet.com "




Economy buff wrote on Jan 21, 2009 11:26 AM:

" in regards to BHP the wall street journal reports that they(BHP) will eliminate 6% of their workforce and close an Australian nickel mine, and reduce coal production. 550 of the 6000 jobs lost will be in the US. There was not a comment about them closing the Globe mine that I saw. Every industry in the world is affected by the economy downturn "




HELLO wrote on Jan 21, 2009 10:09 AM:

" I was just told that the mine in globe az, run by bhp was shut down yesterday at noon as all there contracts were stopped. I cant find any info on the net, anyone know whats going on there? "




in trouble wrote on Jan 21, 2009 9:45 AM:

" bhp just announced they are cutting 6,ooo jobs. The dow dropped 33o points yesterday. So we should all save our money this includes people that think they have a ressision proof job. Good luck to all. "




Heidi wrote on Jan 21, 2009 9:08 AM:

" TO blahblah and hahaha:

I'm sorry, did I hit a sour spot with you? I'm sorry that the truth hurts. You obviously cannot handle what is going on with this country, let alone handle the truth. Where there is a will, there is a way! Go seek a job and quit whinning.

P.S. I have a job. Best job in the world and I will NEVER get laid off from it. Have a great day! "




San Simon Sam wrote on Jan 21, 2009 9:00 AM:

" Safford has become a mining town. Which goes to the old expression: Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

Anyone remember life in our valley before the mines? Then our civic fathers became lustful of what the mines would bring to our valley... "




TO FABS wrote on Jan 20, 2009 7:07 PM:

" PEOPLE WRITING COMMENTS ON THIS ARTICLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE HEARD WHETHER THEY CAN SPELL OR NOT YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND LEARN SOME MANNERS "




bwana wrote on Jan 20, 2009 6:37 PM:

" Little Bitty! I'm Mexican too! You wanna try my burrito?

OMG,
What can I say, you live in LA-LA-LAND!
You are very judgemental for being a Christian. I don't do any drugs because I have financial responsibilities. It's not even relevant, so let's get back on track, OK?

Hahaha...I'm not better than anyone, I'm the worst of all....I'm not arrogant, I just don't like any of you. As for FMI....My job is just as insecure as anyone's, there are no guarantees in the mining business. "




NativeSon wrote on Jan 20, 2009 12:42 PM:

" I no longer live in Graham County, or Arizona for that matter, but try to stay up on what is going on using this site. I feel badly for the families that have been affected by the mine situation because some of them are relatives. I just want to wish them well with the future. Also, Go Riders! "




FAB5 wrote on Jan 20, 2009 12:33 PM:

" All you people making comments on this article need to go back to school to learn how to spell. "




OMG wrote on Jan 20, 2009 12:10 PM:

" To.bwana, From what you have said on this blog, I see what you are!Your afraid to say who you are because you know doing any drugs at anytime is AGAINST THE LAW! Unless it comes from a doctor and is taken as perscribed! I`m not one of you! I do spend a lot of hours at my job and a lot of my job is to take care of the people who have overdosed on drugs, people who have been hurt by others due to drugs and such! If you have been at the mine for 20 years you whouldknowwhatthedrugsdotopeople! "




blahblah wrote on Jan 20, 2009 12:24 AM:

" To heidi, maybe you should get off the computer and get to WORK! "




hahaha wrote on Jan 20, 2009 12:23 AM:

" bwana, dont think your better than anyone else, your in the same boat as the rest of us (if you work for FMI, which you probably do).

And HEIDI, please, quit with the preaching of where to get jobs and blah blah, WE KNOW! "




small fee wrote on Jan 20, 2009 12:21 AM:

" one of the supervisiors stated there will some kinda of severance to those that are laid off, how true is that?

Everything right now is just rumors until feb 2nd. "




test em all wrote on Jan 20, 2009 12:20 AM:

" freeport should test EVERYONE that works for the company, i bet there will be a handful gone.... again. Just saying.

As for the cobra letter, if you get one its just giving you another option of insurance.... dur dur dur. "




littlebitty wrote on Jan 20, 2009 12:10 AM:

" to bwana,

I AM MEXICAN! Dork. "




READYHAHA wrote on Jan 20, 2009 12:01 AM:

" i was born and raised in this town (clif/mor) and i left for bout 10 years.i came back here not by my choice and started working for FMI.i have about 9 months service here,and i think it is a joke.there is going to be good workers laid off and there is going to be someone's son/daughter who does not do anything 4 the company but sit at a desk and mess up peoples business.i hope this turns in to a big mess!! LOL losers ITS ALL ABOUT BEING A GOOD OLE BOY AROUND HERE "




joke wrote on Jan 19, 2009 7:39 PM:

" Are we gonna get a retention bonus? "




maybe wrote on Jan 19, 2009 6:59 PM:

" i think that alot of people may be getting faulse hope because they did not get a cobra letter. everything is just rumors right now, we will all just have to wait and see. and its awful. "




cobra wrote on Jan 19, 2009 5:26 PM:

" Cobra is basicly health insurance -insurance. If you are terminated from a job by law you can continue to recieve your health benefits through cobra for a certain period of time. Only some employees recieved this cobra letter which is leading some to believe that they will possibly be the ones to be layed off. Hope this helps! "




UnSure wrote on Jan 19, 2009 4:46 PM:

" We didn't get either one.. "




what wrote on Jan 19, 2009 4:37 PM:

" We also got the revised WARN act letter, but no cobra letter. Can anyone say what is in the cobra letter? "




me wrote on Jan 19, 2009 3:34 PM:

" I made changes and did not recieve a cobra letter, and I did recieve the revised WARN act letter. So no everyone did NOT get a cobra letter. "




what i know wrote on Jan 19, 2009 2:44 PM:

" no not everyone got a cobra letter, but it is my understanding that only the people who made changes to their benefits got the letter. i dont know why they got a cobra letter, but they only got one if they did make any changes. "




To Inside Info wrote on Jan 19, 2009 2:04 PM:

" Everyone got a cobra letter! Ignorance is bliss!! "




iceybstorm wrote on Jan 19, 2009 7:18 AM:

" Weather the storm people. Thtas all you can do.
Most of the people that work at Morenci can't make it in the real world. Only a select few.
Safford like many other small towns bring this on themselves. When the jobs came, everything went up. Real estate, and rentals all went through the roof. Now everyone is crying and singing the blues. "




Devil in me wrote on Jan 19, 2009 7:13 AM:

" Do you people even watch the news. It's not just here. It's happening everywhere. More stores are closing and going out of buisness this year. People are loosing there jobs everywhere not just in the copper industry. Open your eyes. "




inside info wrote on Jan 18, 2009 9:24 PM:

" if you get a cobra letter you may be one of the ones to be let go :( "




Drop in wrote on Jan 18, 2009 8:34 PM:

" To just reading:
That makes sense what you said and the example used beings that is what a guard does. "




Just reading wrote on Jan 18, 2009 3:35 PM:

" To Help:
We were told by the supervisors that the layoffs will go on a point system. Which includes your years of service, saftey records, how you operate or do your job and if it being done the correct way. Say if your a guard it will go based on how the gate is being ran, your safety record and how you are dispatching things. That was just an example we were given. Which makes since. Hope that helps a bit. "




bwana wrote on Jan 18, 2009 3:13 PM:

" Hey OMG....You are jumping to invalid conclusions. I never said it was OK to come to work high or drunk...I said it should be OK to do that in your own house without having your job threatened afterwards.
I would never tell anyone here who I really am or where I live because you are such a collection of dangerous mental patients that it would be hazardous to me and my family.
I will tell you that I have worked at the mine for over twenty years and I do not do any drugs..I seldom drink too. "




TO Everyone wrote on Jan 18, 2009 1:39 PM:

" I can't believe your sense of humor. The only problem I see is if things happen like you wish then it will enfringe on you. You probaly think you are entitled to your free hand outs which you are waiting at the mail box on the day they arrive. Like monthly checks and food stamps. With all of us that have had real jobs which you know nothing about gets laid off, we will lengthen the lines which will be an enconvience to you because if you miss a check, you will be in line having to wait also. "




SoYaKnow wrote on Jan 18, 2009 10:25 AM:

" I'm pretty sure the Safford area is the biggest bunch of loosers I've ever seen.
I just can't belive what is written in these blogs here!
These posts go in circles and seem to have little to do with the original article.
Just so ya know! "




OMG wrote on Jan 18, 2009 9:15 AM:

" ! We are in this position because of the illegals in our country! bwana I know what you are, tell me where you live so I can inform the S.O. O and where you work? I wont go there anymore for anything! "




stirfry wrote on Jan 18, 2009 8:54 AM:

" Here is a prediction for ya all! 2009 is going to be a bad year. 1982 was a bad year I was working for the mine. Phelps Dodge shut everything down except Leaching and Precipitation, The Smelter, Metcalf and Morenci Concentrators, and the Mine. Never try to live beyond your means. Save money get out of those company houses and buy your own There are people who have over 30 years with the mine and they are still renting, they must enjoy the cheap rent (more toys). Copper will rebound in about a year!!! "




OMG wrote on Jan 18, 2009 8:50 AM:

" To bwana, I am not a parinoid bible freak! In fact I hardly ever go to church anymore because I have to work, I wonder about you? I believe you may be one of our problems in this country, I work very hard to raise my 3 children and I`m a widdowed mother. Yes all my children are my dead husbands children and he died of cancer not drugs or violence! people like you think its ok to due drugs and then go to work? you need help! You can say what you want but your only hurting yourself. "




Heidi wrote on Jan 18, 2009 8:00 AM:

" "Where there is a will, there is a way." In other words, if you need a job, you have to seek it. If you need to save your home, you will find a way. The first step to all this is to get OFF the computer, get OUT of the house and go seek a job. There are jobs even here in Safford, but you have to be willing to do them. You may not get paid the $20+ you got at FMI, but at this point anything will help correct? "




Just like the rest of you-residing in Morenci even wrote on Jan 17, 2009 5:54 PM:

" To whoever the wise guy is who answered me--
You proved my point exactly!!! Did you EVEN READ what I wrote??? Obviously not! "




To Red Freak wrote on Jan 17, 2009 5:36 PM:

" Quote” Time to get your education in order”. “Develop new oppurtinites”. YOU need to get your education in order and learn how to spell “opportunities“. Those who live in glass homes should not throw rocks!! "




Whoever wrote on Jan 17, 2009 3:39 PM:

" Wow... the Safford and Morenci areas really revolve aroung mining?!?! DUH!!! When the mines go down, the area suffers?!?! Really?!?! DUH!!!! The comments posted have gone in circles and everybody is saying the same thing! Shut up already! How about showing some sensitivity to the people who are affected by what's going on instead of telling them what they already know!! Morons! "




Stirfry wrote on Jan 17, 2009 2:23 PM:

" The worst is yet to come! The goverment bails out the auto industry. How many people can afford to buy a car. FMI produces copper in the congo, the richest ore body and very cheap labor. The goverment needs to drug test people on welfare its only fair. If I get laid off I think I will make moonshine and grow pot, then I will trade for food stamps cuz most people on welfare do drugs and driink!!!! "




To Everyone wrote on Jan 17, 2009 2:11 PM:

" HAHA all you people are hilarious!!! I can't belive you guys sit here and argue with eachother! I wonder what you get out of it? I hope Freeport lays-off everyone...maybe it will encourage people to get real jobs. "




Red Freak wrote on Jan 17, 2009 11:55 AM:

" FCX’s revised plans include a 25 percent reduction in the mining and milling rates at Morenci, a 50
percent reduction in the mining and stacking rates at the newly commissioned Safford mine, a 50 percent
reduction in the mining rate at the Tyrone mine in New Mexico and a suspension of mining and milling
activities at the Chino mine in New Mexico. . "




Red Freak wrote on Jan 17, 2009 11:44 AM:

" Time to get your education in order. Develop new oppurtinites in your lives. Copper mining is never on solid ground. Layoffs will happen over and over. "




mws wrote on Jan 17, 2009 9:12 AM:

" I lived in Safford over 40yrs. Everything revolves around the copper mine. The price goes up they hire hundreds, flood the market , the economy slows,price drops and layoffs begin.What happens when you get hired? Big truck, 4 wheeler,jet ski, new house, new furniture,borrow, credit, borrow. It's a trap that has gone on for generations.
I think another name for copper should be fools gold. Learn your lesson, move on and hope your kids go to college. Oh and get over the Obama thing,we won, thats how america works, love it or leave it. "




to Just like the rest of you-residing in Morenci even wrote on Jan 17, 2009 9:06 AM:

" Man your so righteous, you can keep your head on and in the game no matter what, i mean only people are losing their livelihood probably their homes too but i mean whats to complain about right? "




Just like the rest of you-residing in Morenci even wrote on Jan 16, 2009 9:23 PM:

" It is amazing the ignorance that abounds when things like this happen. The abundance of incorrect information and stupid remarks is astounding! Do you EVEN realize the ENTIRE country is in the same situation? You act like this is happening to only you! Good grief! Yes, FMI is laying people off and it stinks! Everyone's worried! Stop pointing fingers! How can anyone expect them to lose everything? Besides, noone complained when the bonuses were coming!! Just do whatever you have to to survive like the rest of us will! Taking care of your family is most important! Get over yourselves! "




bwana wrote on Jan 16, 2009 6:22 PM:

" I don't think attrition by drug testing is fair. What a person does in the privacy of their own home, on their own time, is their business...So long as they don't come to work high or drunk that is all that matters.
But please DO go to Texas, Littlebitty... hopefully the rest of the rednecked herd will follow suit and we can get Arizona back on an intelligent and progressive track. We'll need to fence you out of course....But that shouldn't bother y'all none, given your predilection to fencing out the poor Mexicans. "




littlebitty wrote on Jan 16, 2009 2:56 PM:

" I have also heard "rumors" from bosses in safford (uncle is one) that they are going to close safford in MARCH.

Ive also heard that they are doing the layoffs here again by drug test (its about time!!! *clap*clap) and AWOLS and such.

Good luck to everyone, we're heading to TEXAS! "




From the inside wrote on Jan 16, 2009 1:43 PM:

" Miner : your info is wrong.. Seek elsewhere for Better info before posting it... "




To Safford Res wrote on Jan 16, 2009 1:28 PM:

" You're either retired like me, or a Bishop's wife. But did you ever hear of free speech? YOU need to quit trying to "sound" like Mark Twain. The "Y'all" is getting to be old hack no matter what moniker you use. It isn't fooling most and further more your wasting effort with caps - WE CAN "HEAR" YOU PLAINLY! And at this point your opinion no longer matters.

If nobody spoke unless he had something to say, the human race would very soon lose the use of speech.
- W. Somerset Maugham "




candc wrote on Jan 16, 2009 1:26 PM:

" More bad news that hinders any prospect for a replacement job, Circuit city today has liquidated all of its assets closing all stores and leaving 30,000 unemployed. This is gonna make it even tougher now to find a new job with all the competition. God Bless everyone affected by the recent rash of layoffs this economy is affecting everyone big time. "




miner wrote on Jan 16, 2009 1:21 PM:

" According to the info I have gotten the Safford mine will close sometime in March not sure which day tho. "




SAFFORD RES wrote on Jan 16, 2009 12:44 PM:

" I THINK ALL OF YALL NEED TO GROW UP AND STOP ARGUING OVER STUPID STUFF AND REALIZE THAT EVERYONE IS AFFECTED BY THE MESS THE ECOMOMY KEEPS GETTING WORSE EVERYDAY AND PEOPEL LIKE YAL AGRUING ABOUT THE WRONG INFORMATION AND THE SOON TO BE PRESIDENT IS JUST CRAZY "




MBA wrote on Jan 16, 2009 12:29 PM:

" In the last FCX 3rd qtr report they stated that the Safford mine would have production reduced by 50% that assumption was based on $1.75 copper, with copper at $1.51 what assumptions are obvious "




Stirring up Trouble wrote on Jan 16, 2009 11:55 AM:

" To Frozen : why are you stating something you don't know anything about. There are no talks of The mine closing in Safford.. We don't need more problems, and concerns from people like you that like to come on here and stir up garbage that is not true.. Alot of people need prayers and support from this town not more rumors, so unless its written in stone.. Keep your thoughts to yourself... "




Safford Closing wrote on Jan 16, 2009 11:14 AM:

" frozen, I agree, its to expensive to keep open, costs are greater than price of copper "




iceybstorm wrote on Jan 16, 2009 10:47 AM:

" To Frozen
What makes you beleive Safford mines are closing? "




Update wrote on Jan 16, 2009 10:01 AM:

" This morning all but 5 CAT employees were let go, good luck to all who are still left standing "




M wrote on Jan 16, 2009 9:04 AM:

" Frozen, where did you get your information about the Safford Mine closing on the 26th? "




bwana wrote on Jan 16, 2009 8:15 AM:

" I'm going to preach evangelical christianity on cable TV and make a boatload of money!
Either that or smuggle drugs and mexicans, I haven't decided which yet... "




Can you wrote on Jan 16, 2009 7:47 AM:

" All go to the Presidents Comment board this is for FMI poeple that need info , not talking about everybody else that does not apply here.. you are all getting off on the wrong track... Please take the time to pray instead of writting stuff we don't really care to comment on... "




iceybstorm wrote on Jan 16, 2009 7:10 AM:

" To Scared
Usually there are three phases. They should be using a point system this time with the layoff. The ones they need the most will stay and the others will be on the chopping block.
Obama has nothing to do with the economy; but I have to agree with "Devil in me". Obama may be great and then again, he may bring this country to its knees. "




frozen wrote on Jan 16, 2009 6:19 AM:

" I wonder how many comments there will be on January 26 when they announce the closure of the Safford Mines "




SCARED wrote on Jan 15, 2009 11:34 PM:

" Im just wondering what some of you are planning to do if you get layed off? Does anyone know who is going to be let go or what departments? Anxiously awaiting Feb. 2 . Anyone have any thoughts or ideas on this...and not the president :) "




Prez Obama wrote on Jan 15, 2009 6:49 PM:

" lol He never said he was a muslim! Find the clip and post the address of the clip on here. HAHA we will be waiting. Obama is not the problem, the problem is that you have a small brain, but something tells me you already knew that. "




ladyb wrote on Jan 15, 2009 6:11 PM:

" This is nothing like the 80's its is everywhere no just in the mines its effecting everyone everywhere in the counrty not just the mines Obama is a muslim and he crealy stated it himself so what his religion is he still isnt going to help the counrty its already i bad enough condition as it is "




Alumni wrote on Jan 15, 2009 4:28 PM:

" Seriously!!! OBAMA has nothing to do with the lay offs!! This was in the works way before Obama came into the picture. Remember,not too long ago mid 80's same thing, major lay offs. This will pass and Obama will have nothing to do with it. You all need to stay focused on your future, start looking elsewhere for employment. BTW the military is ALWAYS looking for good people!!!!! My prayers are with you all. "




bwana wrote on Jan 15, 2009 3:01 PM:

" OMG....Your powerful assertion that our democratically elected president is the antichrist has made me a believer.

From now on I will assume the identity of someone who suffers from paranoid religious delusions, just like you.

Oh God, protect me from your followers! Amen. "




Sunshine wrote on Jan 15, 2009 2:54 PM:

" To Devil in me,
Let's agree to disagree. "




Devil in Me wrote on Jan 15, 2009 1:59 PM:

" To sunshine
See your'e not reading. I didn't say Obama was Muslim. I said he was from a radical Muslim up-bringing. His father was a radical; and his cousin. You shouldn' be elected to office if you heve ties to radical extremest.
I really do feel for the people that have lost everything; and that will loose everything. I may be one of them.
I love this country; and i will never vote an extremest into office. "




COME ON wrote on Jan 15, 2009 9:42 AM:

" many of the people being affected by this are reading these comments trying to get as much information as possible, since the company is not offering any. it makes me sick to read all the stupid things that people are saying. who cares what obamas religion is? im worried about our jobs. please dont post a comment unless you have helpful information. we dont need to hear all this crazy talk when we are here just trying to get info. "




HELP wrote on Jan 15, 2009 9:41 AM:

" Does anybody have any idea as to what parts of the mine are going t be left open and running? Also does anyone have any ideas on the order of the layoffs....tech level, write- ups, ect. "




LegalWise wrote on Jan 15, 2009 9:00 AM:

" For those that don't work at the mine and have cozy little waitress jobs, clerks at Walmart, businesses of their own, don't get too excited that you have a job beause losing that amount of people at the mine is going to trickle down into the whole community. The only safe jobs are egal business, medical, farming, ranching. Everyone else is going to be affected, so don't get too comfortable "




Sunshine wrote on Jan 15, 2009 8:47 AM:

" To Devil in Me
Obama is not a muslim, he is a Christian. I followed the election very close, and I read all the time. I based my decision on what I read, saw and heard from both canidates. I did not vote for him because he is African American, I voted for him bacause he is a very educated man with solid plans, a strong personality and hope; which this Country badly needs. Mccain on the other hand made Bush look good. What a disgrace and a joke to pick Palin who can't even remember which paper she reads. "




PimaTwo wrote on Jan 15, 2009 7:54 AM:

" Obama is not the Anit-Christ you all fear. He is however one of the most, if not the most Liberal Jr. Senator in the last 20 years or so. Just look at his voting record.
He also comes from one of the most Corupt areas of the USA. Other than that he appears to be just another Jr Politician that has advance (with the vote of some of the people) to the level of Professional Politician.
I wish only good things for all of you that have lost your jobs. Good Luck and God Bless! "




to OMG wrote on Jan 15, 2009 7:06 AM:

" Obama is the anti-Christ? I have a college degree and read fairly well, but I guess I do not know what I am looking for in the Bible that would link Obama as the anti-Christ. And don't tell me it says a Muslim will come from out of the East. That email blog went around a few months back and friend at the time of the Bible writings there were no such group called Muslim. Everyone should be praying and hoping that Obama can bring us out of this mess that someone made, no pointing fingers "




Dee wrote on Jan 14, 2009 9:13 PM:

" How are they deciding on who gets layed off? is it just by seniority, or are they drug testing first, or is it just on who has messed up in the past? "




Devil in me wrote on Jan 14, 2009 7:17 PM:

" To Sunshine
Maybe you should look around. Obama is of Muslim up bringing. He has a cousin that is Prime Minister of Kenya. He will not let any country arrest terrorist in hi homeland. Check it out! Before you stand up for a man because he is the first african american to be voted into office; maybe you should read a little. "




OMG wrote on Jan 14, 2009 5:39 PM:

" I cant believe what I have been reading! How can anyone be happy about this? You all talk so big, did you stop to think about the FAMILY`S???? theses people are not here to fight anyone, They are just like you and I, trying to earn a honest living for there children to have a good life. if you cant see that, My God have Mercy on your soul! We all need to A job to live! I do also believe Obama Hussain Is the anti-christ! think about it and look it up in the Bible. We are all inTROUBLE! "




Former Safford Resident wrote on Jan 14, 2009 5:03 PM:

" To Sunshine - you really need to get educated on a few things. What started this whole mess was the sub-prime loan problem. Bush tried to rein in Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and was stopped by the Democratic Senators who testified that there were no problems in the system. The problem WAS the system. The director of Fannie Mae made $9million from strange accounting then left. Now where is he? A big-shot on Obama's economic team! Yeah, Bush had a lot to do with it...he tried to stop it (So did McCain!) "




Ready to work wrote on Jan 14, 2009 4:36 PM:

" Power engineer: What is csp? If it's clean, that's awesome! Do we get a free solar panel in our backyard? Where do we sign up? "




morenci graduate wrote on Jan 14, 2009 4:01 PM:

" I am shocked to hear about the layoffs. I have several friends and family members still living there and pray for all of you. Remember that there is life outside of Morenci, Clifton, Safford. Both my husband and I grew up in the area and have found a wonderful life outside of our Mining Town. We will always cherish our childhood memories of growing up there, but the truth is that it is no longer the wonderful community we all grew up in. Again, you are all in our prayers. God Bless! "




Sunshine wrote on Jan 14, 2009 3:21 PM:

" To Devil in me
I feel sorry for you most of all. He is the best thing that could of happened for The United States. Someone strong and educated needs to fix the mess that the Bush "team" got us into. "




worried wrote on Jan 14, 2009 3:02 PM:

" This whole situation makes me sick. It is sad to relize how much power FMI has over the WHOLE community. I pray everyday that this can all just work out somehow. Everyday having to worry that my husband is going to get laid off and the thought of losing everything that we have worked so hard for. It just isn't fair when the CEO's are VERY highly paid and you can bet they are not getting a pay cut. They are big buisness and do not care about the little people! "




concerned wrote on Jan 14, 2009 2:22 PM:

" I am concerned about the lay-offs. This will affect everyone in the two counties. Our School, the children will be moving and the schools will loose money, we could loose good teachers due to family members moving. We lose, the entire county looses, not just the individual that is laid off. The revenue that the mine brings into both counties. This will affect other jobs. I am sorry for each and everyone of the individuals that have been or will be layed off. God be with you, I will pray for all. "




Devil in Me wrote on Jan 14, 2009 2:03 PM:

" As our economy worsens; the Obamas are planning the party that will make history. While you are out of work and can't draw unemployment; They are spending $150 million on his innauguration party. If you believe in god he may be the Anti-christ. "




to store owner and others wrote on Jan 14, 2009 12:26 PM:

" ya know what? I'm about sick of the way some of you people act. You despised us (miners) when we were making money, able to spend it in your businesses. Maybe because of your attitude, people did not want to associate with you. For the people that are 'happy' about miners losing their jobs, if i were a spiteful person, i would hope that you work locally and will share the same fate from the ripple effect. HOWEVER, that is not the right way to act. a little empathy people. because things and bad thoughts come full circle. "




To Out of Thatcher wrote on Jan 14, 2009 11:58 AM:

" Since you moved the men are no longer cheating and the women have no need to be nasty. We all say good ridence and a great big Thank You for leaving. Have a wonderful day as well as a wonderful life. "




Hopeful wrote on Jan 14, 2009 9:48 AM:

" To Power Engineer: Can you provide us a website or some insight into how we can help make this happen? Our community needs all the help it can get right now. Thank you for your encouraging words. "




KayeKaye wrote on Jan 14, 2009 7:48 AM:

" I think Graham/Greenlee counties have made a terrible choice in judgment. Everyone relies on FMI, and feels the sun rises and sets. Now that we count on this company and trust has been given, they have no more respect for our cmmunities than a stray dog livng on the streets. Maybe we need to start gettng employment else where and let FMI worry about getting employees. Maybe after they have to pay to move people from other states to fill basic jobs, they will relize what they have lost. Jobs are available, but you have to look hard. "




craneguy wrote on Jan 14, 2009 12:32 AM:

" in the last 4 years i have been laid off 3 times. after getting my poop in a group and realizing that i could actuly LOOK for work outside of grahm and greenlee insted of griping bout struggling with bills and unemployment. right now im in yuma where the newGM proving grounds are being built. last week i was in a railway maint shop. in the last week i have met more foreman and superintendants that are hurting for good ppl to hire. what im saying is quit crying and start trying safford. get out and get a job "




loco wrote on Jan 13, 2009 9:54 PM:

" Enough of the religon You reep what you sow. The book of Mormon none of this is getting anybody paid. Rely on making the right move in whatever you do. "




out of thatcher wrote on Jan 13, 2009 9:30 PM:

" Dear Sunshine,

Thatcher is the worst place I have ever lived. The women are nasty and the men are all cheaters. I moved away so my children would have a better future. Get out while there is still time. "




trouble ahead. wrote on Jan 13, 2009 8:23 PM:

" Here is the problem we all face. If the income stops for the many families that depend on a paycheck from FMI and all the other businesses that also depends on this income, then the only hope isto declare BANKRUPTCY. Not only the families but also these businesses will suffer great losses. This down turn will effect every single person in Southeastern Arizona. When BANKRUPTCY is declared we all lose. And for all you heart less fools, remember you will reep what you sow. You probaly was not smart enough to get a job at FMI anyways. "




Store owner wrote on Jan 13, 2009 7:02 PM:

" I am not Mormon but do have respect for any persons religion.Who or whom got the idea that all i sell is of Mormon Doctrine. From astromy to zoology which most certainly is educational material which i do very well with. Someone should be able to read in this group. I personally wish the contractor who wrote in . This person has a workable knowledge of economics. Sir i wish you the very best of future sucess . "




real wrote on Jan 13, 2009 4:38 PM:

" Moving? That is what my family had to do when all the contractors were living in this community. Remember the sky high rent 1,000,1,700 to 2,000 a month in rent! We moved alright we had to, but eventually things managed to get better for my family and I. Do what you have to do to make things work for you. If that means moving to look for work then that is what you have to do. Like what i always say,"at least you have your health". "




jodis wrote on Jan 13, 2009 3:35 PM:

" I am saddened by the news that so many people will be laid off. Luckily, we live in a community where we can darned near live off the land. Start planting your crops, even if it's a small garden in the back yard. Let's help one another get through this, not taunt and point fingers. Our lives are too short not to appreciate the fact that our small community always comes together during a crisis. It can be done. I'm not out to save world hunger, but I grew up poor, learning to live off the land. "




TO STORE OWNER wrote on Jan 13, 2009 2:55 PM:

" See, I knew it, crap nobody wants! Store owner, you are a very ugly person and it shows in your writing. You have no compassion for others and a negative view of your community. Your character flaws probably show to your customers, hence the lack of business. And just a bit of common sense: if you open up a store that mainly sells Mormon history books then you automatically limit the amount of customers that you will have because......not everyone is Mormon! Don't blame the good people of Thatcher Safford for your failure. "




AMBER wrote on Jan 13, 2009 2:30 PM:

" To all those that think leaving Safford or Morenci to find a job, think again. I'm from Safford and now live in Phoenix, and my husband recently lost his job. I can tell you honestly, there aren't any jobs here either unless your in healthcare and have a college degree, and even those jobs are so tight and competetive the chances of landing one are slim to none.
Good luck to all those searching for a job. I wish you well "




contractor in NM wrote on Jan 13, 2009 1:16 PM:

" First of all, I'm a contract worker at Morenci and I feel very badly for those who are directly affected by the lay offs. Secondly, my opinion is that FMI got greedy and seemed to be counting on copper prices being well over $2/pound for a long time. Even I believed it.
When copper fell, FMI slammed on the brakes and everybody involved hits the winshield.
That's business though. Be proactive instead of reactive. When one door closes another one opens..... I'm looking for work in another state now... "




NO JOBS wrote on Jan 13, 2009 12:28 PM:

" If we dont have a job, you cant live off unemployment- that will cover the rent, but what about food and utilities and hygiene things- Face it Plan B- Bankruptcy and then when the economy comes up we are still messed up. Because now we have even worse credit. Just paying interest on bills does not help if you can pay rent.
Man what do we all do and where do turn--
HEY OBAMA where is the american peoples (the workers) bail out? "




Facts only wrote on Jan 13, 2009 12:25 PM:

" Face it- Whether you like the mine or dont.
1550 jobs means people will have to move, some that have been here quite a while.
If the valley empties out it will come down to this.
They will need less teachers, cops, beauticians, Wal mart will lay off becuz there will no be enough people coming in to keep them on the payroll- local business may go under and so will the bigger ones. This will effect us all. "




To everyone wrote on Jan 13, 2009 12:22 PM:

" Both my husband and I are looking at being layed off. To all the people that are prying for all of us, thank you. To the ones making snide remarks, I am praying for you too.
These are scary times indeed for all of us and not just us in the Gila Valley. I am scared too that we will have to up root our family and move to wherever to find a decent job and school.
The Gila Valley has been my home for 25 of my 32 years and I will miss it "




lets get along wrote on Jan 13, 2009 12:01 PM:

" This blame game is getting out of control. We are attacking FMI, each other, and the mormon church. We will be complete when someone plays the race card. I understand that times like these make emotions run closer to the surface. The economy can take any of us down. The last thing we need right now is to be angry at each other. Change can divide us, or bring us together as a community. "




community support wrote on Jan 13, 2009 11:10 AM:

" I'm Mormon and was quite offended by what "Store Owner" said.
I did not feel that any of what that person was saying was kind or supportive. How do you know that persons' religion? Guessing?
Let's get back to the real issues...not snotty comments by ANYONE, but by having hope for the people in such dispair over what's happening in our community. "




Nice Local wrote on Jan 13, 2009 11:05 AM:

" Hey all of us "Locals" are not all bad! I remember this town before the mining boom and it was a very kind place! people would smile and say hi even if you didn't know them then came the boom and guess what that all changed so where do you think all this negative attitude came from all of the sudden! Hmmm....maybe we should all ask this question and maybe this town would be in a much better situation then! "




Anxious wrote on Jan 13, 2009 10:52 AM:

" Has any of the employees heard any further details, or rumors as to what parts of the mine they are keepng open? I500 employees kept on must be the basic operating. My husband works there now and there having him work OT all the time, i dont see how they can afford to do that, and then just lay off all of these people. All I know is that we are saving all we can. hope and pray for the best and prepare for the worst. My heart and prayers goes out to all those experiencing difficult times tight now! "




To Store Owner... wrote on Jan 13, 2009 10:24 AM:

" If "Your History" includes Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and other false prophets, I'm not going anywhere near it. Just because it is free doesn't make it educational or right. Your thinking is typical of most people in this area...biased, bigoted, arrogant and just plain snotty. Get off your high horse and give support and kind words to someone besides your "fellow saints." "




Shaesca wrote on Jan 13, 2009 10:17 AM:

" Don't give up hope Sunshine. The only thing we "outsiders" can do in regard to the mean locals is hold our heads up high and not let their pettiness drag us down. It isn't easy, but it can be done. Maybe this will help...."What other people think of me is none of my business."

Let them be mean, Karma will take care of them. I'll keep you in my prayers and send good thoughts to all who are going through this terrible time. "




Glad to be GONE wrote on Jan 13, 2009 10:04 AM:

" Sunshine. You hit the nail on the head. The people in this "righteous" area are the most vile,backstabbing,lying collection of jerks Ive ever met. I live in another state now and am so grateful to be gone.GOOD RIDDANCE. "




sunshine wrote on Jan 13, 2009 8:24 AM:

" God is watching you. To you heartless people out there, you will get yours. My husband was laid off from the mine as well, though I think we will be ok. I have never lived anywhere; where certain "locals" are so mean spirited.Your businesses sure enjoyed "our" money, didn't they? I thought this was suppose to be a "rightous" place. Unbelievable, I feel sorry for you. (The nasty locals, not everyone) "




Store owner wrote on Jan 13, 2009 8:20 AM:

" I sell educational material . Many years ago i taught at EAC. This is a fine school. I sell mostly on the internet items to colleges and univertsities. I sell mainly history or reference books. This includes history of this valley by the LDS pioneers. In our county we have one of ther best museums of items that were donated by the early pioneers for your veiwing pleasure which i see very little of the locals avail thierself of the charge is free. LEARN FROM HISTORY "




small mine vendor from Tucson wrote on Jan 13, 2009 12:24 AM:

" Our company survived the downturn in the mining industry during the late nineties by diversifying into many different markets. At the time mining was 80-85% of our revenue. It wasn't fun but we finished up that year. Times are tough all over but you can make it. The ones that will survive are those that pray, trust and aren't too proud to do whatever it takes to provide for their families. We will keep you all in our thoughts and prayers and would appreciate you doing the same for us as we are also suffering "




TO STORE OWNER wrote on Jan 12, 2009 11:23 PM:

" What do you sell at your store? I'm guessing it's full of things made in China that you probably bought in bulk off of Ebay. Safford is sick of people like you opening up these garbage stores, full of cheap, over-priced crap. Nobody shops at your store because you probably sell things that NOBODY WANTS!! You either sell paper thin Chinese made clothes, ceramics made in Mexico, or used, over-priced clothing with stains and holes. So NO, we don't want it! If it weren't for the hard working miners, you wouldn't even have a store! "




Shaesca wrote on Jan 12, 2009 10:10 PM:

" To Prosperous and Store Owner, You two ought to get together. What a perfect pair!! One can go out and cherry pick every one's misforturne while the other sells it all on the internet at a jacked up price. Shame on both of you. "




SorryFromPhoenix wrote on Jan 12, 2009 10:05 PM:

" I was born and raised in Morenci and even though I no longer live there or depend on the mine I am deeply saddened to hear that half of the town I hold dear to my heart will be without work. What will become of my hometown and the way of life when the money stops flowing? I pray crime doesn't take over and for each and every family affected by this tragedy. "




the way we see it wrote on Jan 12, 2009 9:54 PM:

" The way the mines have crashed taking the Valley economy with them, I guess the Big Guy upstairs wasn't too pleased with Preacher Tutor's Declaration over the Valley. "




Ex-Miner wrote on Jan 12, 2009 8:53 PM:

" To all the families who are affected by the layoffs each one is in my prayers. I lived in Morenci and worked for the mine when it had lay offs before and totally shut down, then the strike as well. It does get better don't lose hope. I chose to leave the area but if I was capable of working again I would go back to mining, if it depended on my family being fed. For all the ones who bought toys I was there as well.......it happens! Good luck to all. "




Store owner wrote on Jan 12, 2009 8:46 PM:

" I have been in this community for several years years now. I FEEL NO SORROW for any of the copper miners in this county. I came here as a honest merchant but i have never had any locals stop to buy from me.I depend upon outsiders stopping by to buy. I have too now sell off the internet as this is certainly the cheapest people i have ever met. SUCK IT UP CRY BABIES "




I dont want to go wrote on Jan 12, 2009 6:10 PM:

" To be honest FMI was screwing people before the economic crisis. They screwd my husband out of his sign on bonus and a house. I guess it doesn't matter now. I hope that he doesn't get fired. I really want to have my children here, this is a safe place and a good place to grow up. I know bad things happen no matter where you are.But I really love it here. I don't want to go. Thank you Safford, I have a great life here and I want my children to have this place as home. "




I Survived wrote on Jan 12, 2009 5:49 PM:

" People, you know what I had to do? I had to sell all my ATV's, my Duramax truck, my boat, and get rid of my RV. Then, I enlisted, "AGAIN", in the U.S. Army. Yeah, it sucks, but I had to do this for my family. "




Cohiba wrote on Jan 12, 2009 3:44 PM:

" The economic situation that we are currently facing is demanding drastic responses from almost every industry in the state. If your view of the universe is so myopic that all you see through a hazed red lens is FMI being responsible for the collapse of your pretty little world, you are direly on the outskirts of rational orbit. I suggest you real it in a bit before gravity loses what ever grasp of your cognizant world it may still hold. Now is the time to exercise your mental dexterity, to quote a line from a movie, “you can do it!”. "




Business is Business wrote on Jan 12, 2009 3:31 PM:

" Come off it. FMI is a business just like any other business. Their main goal is to make money. I can't recall the last time I went to Wal-Mart and walked out with a cart of groceries without paying. Oh-that's right. Wal-Mart is a business too. When I told them that I didn't have money, but my kids needed toys for Christmas, they didn't care. They want the money. Same with FMI. The whole country is in the same boat, its called a RECESSION!! "




COMMUNITY wrote on Jan 12, 2009 2:25 PM:

" I believe in the goodness of people good will come from this. Believe and have Faith.We are your friends, neighbors & Family we will help you through this difficult time.The mines brought my grandpa from Mexico, the mines gave my parents an education & the mines sent me to college. I am not wealthy but I am grateful and will do what I can to help my neighbors in their time of need. What's done is done, go forward no looking back but if you do you will see a community of love ready to help. "




itsgonnabeokay wrote on Jan 12, 2009 1:49 PM:

" to Prosperous:

Wow, your stupidity amazes me. Your a sad, sick soul and i hope that YOUR household does feel this effect. You should be ashamed of yourself. The only thing *I* can tell YOU is that you didnt work HARD for the item you bought for next to nothing, which is what you really are, NOTHING! "




you make me sick contd wrote on Jan 12, 2009 12:23 PM:

" to happen like that. Things happen, no we dont have savings, maybe some people did buy their kids ATV's, but to those of you who have hundreds of thousands of dollars in savings, good for you. I am so happy this wont impact you. For those of us who dont, I feel your pain. My plan B- BANKRUPTCY and move
www.fs.fed.gov is hiring "




LAtucson wrote on Jan 12, 2009 12:21 PM:

" I feel for all of you that have lost your jobs I went thru it myself in the 80s workkng for the auto industry but I look back and see it was the best thing to ever happen to me I went back to school and got training and a degree and never looked back I know this is tuff but make the most of the times you have and do somthing with you lifes to better it in the end inablle yourself and make the best of things negative responses will not help anyone just pick yourselfs up "




you make me sick wrote on Jan 12, 2009 12:21 PM:

" To those of you who said we spent money faster than we could make it and we tried to live above our means and now we are going to pay for it because we didnt save.............You know what life happens, bad things happen and family is left to deal with it. I am sorry my dad passed away with a major heart attcak with no warning, no savings, he lived off of 565.00 SSI- who is supposed to bury him, I cant i need to save my money for hard times with the mine. That is not "




Devil in Me wrote on Jan 12, 2009 12:09 PM:

" All you people do is complain about the Copper industry. Open your eyes! The entire country is in trouble, not just one sector of it.
Wake up and look atthe world around you. "




To Joker wrote on Jan 12, 2009 11:01 AM:

" You've picked the right moniker. Do your homework now and drink your "milk". Or you'll go to bed without dinner tonight. "




Gunn1 wrote on Jan 12, 2009 10:56 AM:

" Single Mom: Get your facts BHP shutdown the San Manuel mine dismantled it and sold it off for scrap, in the last down turn, they were no partners of Phelps Dodge, they were competitors just as BHP and Freeport are. All mining companies do what they must to stay in buisness and stay profitable. "




Joker wrote on Jan 12, 2009 9:53 AM:

" Wow! All you strategists have it all figured out! Maybe you can help pitch a proposal to all the troubled people and the mining industry!! "




Wake up Prosperous wrote on Jan 12, 2009 7:23 AM:

" If there was other big employers in the Gila Valley most likely you would still lose your jobs. Companies are downsizing and closing every day in this country. Prosperous I don't know what job you are in but it will affect you too. Without jobs there is less sales tax collected in your communities. Without jobs people are not paying taxes and some lose their homes so no property taxes are collected. How do you think our police, fire departments & schools etc. are paid ? This will affect everyone. "




Not So Fast Single Mom wrote on Jan 12, 2009 6:09 AM:

" BHP Billiton is putting their strength primarily behind African potential on initial explorations and holding off production with anyone they joint venture with. They continue to cut their overhead, meaning personnel by fifty to sixty percent. The entire copper industry continues to do the same. They don't see increase in output until mid to late 2010.
They are the largest mining company in the world and continue to LEAD others in cutbacks and have made agreements with China and Japan to increase fees for refining. There has been no mention of Phelps or a takeover of Freeport here. "




jose wrote on Jan 12, 2009 4:54 AM:

" "mexican" i am a scab and proud of it and if i had to i would do it again, the united steel worker union was the most corrupt organization on the planet and still is, city life sucks so dont say how good you have it made i was a city boy for ten years and i know how it is, so stay there. "




jose wrote on Jan 12, 2009 4:44 AM:

" "Really", do you know who BHP is and who owns them, they are one of the biggest and richest copper companys on the planet and they are owned by australians, they own san manuel and look what happened to them, they shut it down, this is a truly a foreign company that is ruthless, so regardless if they are interested in freeport or not it would not change the situation only worsen it, dont believe ask former BHP employees and they will tell you. "




Jose wrote on Jan 12, 2009 4:32 AM:

" What 1, do you have the faintest idea how copper is extracted out of the copper enriched ore, apparently not! you have to have a reagent that is gold selective and lots of cianide, the freeport sx plants use a copper selective reagent and acid as a catalyst to extract copper not gold. You must have a great imagination. "




single mom wrote on Jan 11, 2009 7:12 PM:

" With all this going on, I hope B. H. P. hurries up with their hostile take-over. I believe it will be best for everyone. B. H. P. is partners with Phelps Dodge and want the same things as Phelps Dodge. "




wow wrote on Jan 11, 2009 4:25 PM:

" Prosperous wrote on Jan 10, 2009 5:57 PM:
" Since my household will not feel the effects of the economy....are now going to have to sell them to those of us who are still employed for next to nothing. Good times! "

you think you are immune. so little you know. karma will get your disgusting attitude

to the ones who say there is gold being mined in safford, how do you get all this inside information, and how are they getting away with it?

love the conspiracy theories. "




To Prosperous... wrote on Jan 11, 2009 1:49 PM:

" You are arrogant, greedy, prideful and crude. Remember, "Pride goeth before a fall." You will fall hard. "




iceybstorm wrote on Jan 11, 2009 1:10 PM:

" Prosperous is right about one thing. Many people went to work in construction or mines and hed no experiance. Construction was hiring everyone just to have bodies. When they got hired they went nuts buying and spending thinking they are set for life. Life is now teaching them a hard lesson. I do feel for the ones that tried hard and lost but it happens to the best of us. "




iceybstorm wrote on Jan 11, 2009 1:02 PM:

" To What1
In case you haven't been inside the mines. FCX makes the majority of there money from copper not gold. I have been all through the mine-sites in Safford and Morenci. They like every other company grows when the economy is good and shrinks when it goes downhill. This is not like the 80's because its not just the mining industry it's everywhere. "




real2all wrote on Jan 11, 2009 1:01 PM:

" Some of the people that worked at the mine are some of the best people to work with. I have never worked for the mine, but I do work with some people that used to work for the mine. The current economy right now is worse ever in U.S. history. The mine is only a small portions of what is wrong with the whole picture. There is over 1,500,000 people in the U.S. looking for work right now and that number is still going up. Just try and succeed, god bless you all. "




iceybstorm wrote on Jan 11, 2009 11:11 AM:

" Arizona will be out of money around april. They will not be able to pay taxes or anything else. CA is already issuing IOU's to people for state tax. There is work around the state. For those who are truly skilled in a craft, you can find a job. Power Plants and coal mines are booming. "




Life will go on wrote on Jan 11, 2009 10:22 AM:

" Hey everyone just wanted to tell you your lives will go on for better or worse, spend more time doing something to fix or make better of the situation and less time on the computer, what are you going to do when your internet gets turned off, are you going to stand on the corner with signs and spit out all the hate coming from your minds of course not because then everyone will see your faces, if you get laid off pick up the peices and move on I sure will, oh ya God bless all of you! "




Unemployment wrote on Jan 11, 2009 8:32 AM:

" Uemployment insurance is a joke. Luckily we have always both worked and this is the first time ever having to resort to unemployment insurance to help due to the sudden impact of this. It has been over 8 weeks now and we have yet to see 1 cent of unemployment. DES can find every excuse in the book why we still haven't received anything. What great INSURANCE. I feel for those who are going to be faced with what we have been faced with. "




what1 wrote on Jan 11, 2009 7:27 AM:

" to please- freeport has lots of money coming in right not, not from copper but from gold, oh wait though, they dont want anyone to know what they are up to. Freeport bought the mine for the gold- not the copper. They dont need thousands of emploee's to mine the gold like they did the copper. "




loco wrote on Jan 11, 2009 6:31 AM:

" To ex safford resident if it is such a horrible town why can't you stop reading about it if you don't live hear get a life where you are at Im sure they got new's there. You probably live with your MOM. "




loco wrote on Jan 11, 2009 6:22 AM:

" Prosperous You are a greedy person,So you better thank some one you have a job. Why do you want to benefit from others losses you are a PIG. You will feel it in some way I hope you buy something and it break's the same day. HA HA!!!!!!!!! "




To Exaciddriver wrote on Jan 11, 2009 6:13 AM:

" Please tell your grandson to continue working as a driver until he is let go. Should he seek employment elsewhere, companies do a reference check..standard stuff like, how long where they employed?, did they get terminated ?or did the person leave with 2 weeks notice?. All of that information is crucial for other places to hire him. They want to see that someone didn't give up on their job so it shows him as a reliable and trustworthy employee. Good luck to him. I hope that he makes that right choice and doesn't regret it later. God Bless "




mine employee wrote on Jan 11, 2009 2:49 AM:

" If I get layed off I will leave and never return. I kind of hope I will be laid off because there will be nothing left of Safford after this. Real estate will be worth nothing. Already a glut of houses on market and we will just let the bank have the worthless house and get the heck outta dodge never to return. "




Unemployment Benefits wrote on Jan 10, 2009 11:08 PM:

" For those who have stated-so what, you can collect unemployment benefits, you obviously do not know that Arizona pays the second lowest unemployment benefits in the US. The maximum is only $208 after taxes per week. It is impossible for people to live on that amount with a family.

if you think that you are safe--think again. Government jobs, retail, restaurants, and everyone else WILL be affected by these losses in jobs. "




Jakpro wrote on Jan 10, 2009 11:02 PM:

" For the many people who believe that these layoffs in the mines and related industries will not have any effect on them personally-you are sadly mistaken and ignorant in the micro-economic consequences that occur during this type of situation.

It will affect everyone in the Gila Valley-retailers, restaurants, hotels, schools, government employees, real estate, and every other institution, except maybe the prisons.

Yes, it has happened before, but it is never a welcome occurrence to the community.

I am deeply saddened by the attitudes of many people writing these comments. I cannot beleive the ignorance here. "




Prosperous wrote on Jan 10, 2009 5:57 PM:

" Since my household will not feel the effects of the economy, I am watching for the great deals as people have to sell all their toys to pay the bills. Those mine employees who got carried away and ran out and bought new toys and vehicles are now going to have to sell them to those of us who are still employed for next to nothing. Good times! "




To flabbergasted... wrote on Jan 10, 2009 5:52 PM:

" You said... If you haven't been hurt yet, your turn is coming.
Not true. Some of us are in jobs that are immune to the economy. Graham County's 2nd largest employer is doing fine and no matter what the economy is doing, there are no lay-offs. In fact, since they are still hiring,ex employees who left for the mine are coming back. "




Miners Yes Hughes No wrote on Jan 10, 2009 4:53 PM:

" To Bwana, they take any article off after 30 days. Frank probably depended on that too. We need to keep him on everyone's mind until we find out the truth. In the mean time the miners shouldn't be considered a distraction. Those folks are more important than he will ever be. They have a hard row to hoe now and Hughes is just a "whatever loser." But what a sorry way to make up the 30K loss going to retirement pay. He should feel the "bite" too if he's not legitimate in his story. "




Please wrote on Jan 10, 2009 4:47 PM:

" IF you open up your own buisness then you can become rich and you wont get layed off right???? you then can lay people off when your buisness is hurting. Do you think FMI wants this I don't think so. What are they suppose to do pay thousands of people when they don't have the money coming in? How many companies will do that? NONE. THE WHOLE WORLD is in a crisis NOT just Safford, just everyone say a prayer for everyone we all need it "




Marty wrote on Jan 10, 2009 4:29 PM:

" What a wake-up call. During the fall I asked an employee/relative how long this boom could last and he told me that the copper industry was "recession" proof. Reason being that China and India would easily make up for any loss in the USA market.

Boom town to ghost town in just a couple of weeks. I don't think I have ever witnessed such a drastic turn of events. "




Mint man wrote on Jan 10, 2009 3:57 PM:

" "Rasputia" All pennies made after 1982 are 97.5% zinc and only 2.5% copper. "




Exaciddriver wrote on Jan 10, 2009 2:38 PM:

" take a look and you will see less acid trucks. I know lots of drivers and my stepson works for an acid hauler. They were cut from 3 loads a day to 1 last week. They too may be getting layed off according to the company CEO. My stepson is really worried and talking about leaving while he has the money to do so. Me, I love Safford and will try to hang. Im going to EAU to train for something in the medical field. I never really counted on the mine,as I have been layed lots. "




Stressed wrote on Jan 10, 2009 2:36 PM:

" So did anyone receive their Warn Act Notice today in the mail? I did today and man oh man it just sucks we have to stay stressed out till you are walked up to and asked to go home. If they are going to do it why wait do it now. And all your supervisors can tell you is have a positive attitude. Yeah right! "




WOW wrote on Jan 10, 2009 2:12 PM:

" Safford grew so fast and looked like it had a shot at being a nice up and coming city. Now its gonna end up like a ghost town. So sad to see that. "




Rasputia wrote on Jan 10, 2009 2:01 PM:

" Does this mean that pennies will stop being made???? (even though they're not 100% copper)? "




seeking advice wrote on Jan 10, 2009 1:42 PM:

" so what is everyones plan B?????? what does everyone suggest? "




Non-FMI Observer wrote on Jan 10, 2009 1:40 PM:

" It would really be nice to see more compassion and less attacking going on in these comments. FMI is a business, they're in it for profit... plain and simple. They are no different than any other business. Even a small business will do what they have to do when it's costing them too much to do business. If you're laid off, don't take it personally, but do what you can to hang on and get through these rough times. And if you're not affected personally, have a little compassion for goodness' sake!!!! "




Tucson wrote on Jan 10, 2009 11:49 AM:

" So you draw unemployment that tides you over until something better comes along. My son in law got laid off in Tucson this week, non mine related, they laid off all their workers. Times are tough. Cut back, spend less, tighten your belts and hang on. Obama is going to make everything better. "




flabbergasted P-D retiree. wrote on Jan 10, 2009 10:58 AM:

" OMG!!! The hate! The finger-pointing! What is wrong with you people!? Freeport does have a poor humanitarian/environmental history; Freeport's Executives are corrupt; so, what else is new!? Do I hear nostalgia for the "good ole days" with P-D? People hated P-D in 1983.
This is a global thing, people! If you haven't been hurt yet, your turn is coming. So, let's soothe the pain, encourage and help one another. Then let's get on with life. "




bwana wrote on Jan 10, 2009 10:44 AM:

" It was a no brainer from the start....having a mine as an community wide economic base is setting oneself up for failure. The financial shockwave this layoff could generate may be too large for comprehension. Good luck to everyone!
(I guess this topic trumped the former Graham County Sheriff's tall tale right off the website! Now I KNOW it's a coverup!) "




Put it to them wrote on Jan 10, 2009 10:17 AM:

" I think everyone should just quit completely shutting down the mines, and see what freeport does when no one is working at all. To bad this couldnt be a reality. "




Global Economy Cont wrote on Jan 10, 2009 9:58 AM:

" Please don't get stuck in the rut of self-pity, blame, anger, and hate. Pull yourself up and move on. Be resourceful. Those who want to survive will do so. Realize that ALL businesses are in business to make money. I know that Morenci probably took a big hit because it has the some of the highest production costs of any of FMI's mines. Why would they continue to produce copper in Morenci if they can do it cheaper elsewhere? I'm so sorry that it's causing this loss of employment and so much hurt, but this is not personal, it's a_bad_economy. "




Global Economy wrote on Jan 10, 2009 9:53 AM:

" I am tuly sorry for those that are out of work and not just the miners. I had to let people go at my work as well. However I think it's important for those that are suffering to not be so closed minded and hateful about this. No one, not FMI, not any company was prepared for the downturn in the economy. If FMI doesn't have orders for their product, they won't produce it. Demand for copper went down WORLDWIDE...even though this is affecting people in a VERY personal way, it's NOT a personal attack on you by FMI. "




Very worried wrote on Jan 10, 2009 9:50 AM:

" Doesn't this situation bring to mind what happened to the miners in San Manuel, AZ a few years back when they showed up to work and they told them they no longer had a job. Magma had sold out to BHP just like P.D sold out to FMI??? I believe the same thing is happening here unfortunately. My husband is currently employed with FMI but who knows for how long. Let's do the reasonable thing and pray for each other not turn against each other. God bless us all. "




Lady from Morenci wrote on Jan 10, 2009 9:44 AM:

" Of course FMI would axe jobs here. Why pay us more when they can make copper elsewhere in the world for PENNIES? I was laid off in Nov. as soon as it happen, my husband starting looking for work elsewhere. Yesterday his boss told him even she was looking for a job! FMI is horrible, but you do what you gotta do when times are tough! Good luck to everyone! "




KBS wrote on Jan 10, 2009 9:24 AM:

" Why is everyone blaming FMI? IT'S THE ECONOMY, EVERYONE is suffering the effects of losing their jobs WORLDWIDE... Residents, watch the NEWS and get INFORMED... (oh and check your spelling / grammar before submitting any comments...) "




Have Faith wrote on Jan 10, 2009 9:16 AM:

" Everyone in this country are feeling the effects of this economic crisis. I am heartbroken that so many in this communtiy have or will lose their jobs. Most of your parents and /or grandparents have been through many of these times and they survived by doing whatever it took to raise their families. You can and will survive these difficult times too. As a community we need to come together to help each other make it through these most difficult times. If we do then as a community we will survive. "




BILL wrote on Jan 10, 2009 9:14 AM:

" I have been there, done that, and it is not fair or pleasant. I recommend each and every one of you write a letter to your creditors explaining that you have been laid off and offer to pay the interest only and nothing against principal on your debts until you get another job. Most all creditors will accept this offer in writing and your payments will be very small and it will not affect your credit. I did this during a layoff of over 3000 in the iron mines in 1980 and it saved our bacon. This works! Good luck!!! "




J.Whistler wrote on Jan 10, 2009 9:13 AM:

" Morenci could be the next Jerome !! The Copper industry is Feast or Famin.Take one look at ALL the homes that are forclosed in the Phx area.they all use copper.The builders are not building.When they start to build copper will be King.In the mean time go to plan B "




frozen wrote on Jan 10, 2009 9:07 AM:

" As I said before the people at the Safford mine should start putting their pennies away because they are next to be on the chopping block. Sad but true "




hurtingmyfamily wrote on Jan 10, 2009 9:07 AM:

" i feel so scared that my husband is going to be laid off and we have kids and a house.what are the people with familys and houses suppose to do now it has been said and said again there are no jobs here so what are we all suppose to do now.my husband will have to reloctate and me and my kids will have to stay here that sucks!!!!this is very stressful!!!!! "




Come on.. wrote on Jan 10, 2009 8:31 AM:

" No job in the world is promised to keep you employed... I would think in a small town like this that people would come together and help eachother not rip everyones head off.. It is always like that when times are good everyone is happy when times are tough they all blame everyone else. Everyone says OH just move.. NOt that easy, you try selling a house now, Pulling kids out of school and having enough funds to move it takes time not a day to do it. So be relealistic when you talk.. I pray for everyone... "




Oh Please wrote on Jan 10, 2009 8:26 AM:

" To Ex Safford Resident::
IF you live in a better place and are better then all of us why are you reading the Safford Paper EVERYDAY instead of living your dream life elsewhere... you probally wouldn't be welcomed back anyways. I feel sorry for Ignorant People like you that come on here when times are down and step on others. What is wrong with a small town trying to grow and people working in other areas besides walmart. So they gave the mine a try at least they tryed and didnt run away with their tails between their legs.... "




LocalGal wrote on Jan 10, 2009 8:23 AM:

" You're still seeing acid trucks because FMI is going to be leaching and RE-leaching old dirt. They still want the copper, they still want the money, they just don't want YOU. You already did the hard part for them and they'll continue to make money off of your labor, without paying you. "




Diamands and Gold wrote on Jan 10, 2009 12:27 AM:

" Are you serious?Yea there probably diamonds and FMI being so greedy are not mining them to spite Safford and to allow them to lay people off. there are so many diamond mines in Arizona, LOL OMG!! Developing a mine and the processes to extract ceretain minerals takes years to develop you just don't flick a switch. People please think before you type, your giving the rest of us in Safford a bad rap, you do have computer please use google and learn about what you are going to write about so you don't come across as a redneck. "




please use your head wrote on Jan 10, 2009 12:19 AM:

" This is tough and will be hard for all, however every person working right now in america is working for a company that wants to make a profit, thats why they exist. What would you have them do, continue to lose money until they go backrupt and close permanently. One blogger suggested getting a loan as PD did, where in case you haven't read the news the country is in a credit crunch, and loans the size that would be needed are not out there. "




aye.... wrote on Jan 9, 2009 11:58 PM:

" i hope there is a change in plans between now and the day of the lay offs. thats just toooo many people to be laid off in a small town.

this town is going to be a ghost town. I have lived here all my life, i know nothing else but MORENCI.

Just breaks my heart. God bless everyone. "




klm wrote on Jan 9, 2009 10:40 PM:

" Here is the problem, everyone wants to blame the mine, our county, and city gov't are the ones to blame. they are the ones that made such a big deal out of this mine and made ridiculous decisions for this town. Knowbody knew that our economy was going to hit bottom like this. This is a small town and we are going to fill the effects more then a big city because we rely on very little to support our town and our city and county gov't are the ones that failed to protect us. "




anonymous wrote on Jan 9, 2009 9:36 PM:

" Ex Resident: you are a sorry excuse for a human being if all you can do is put these people down, especially if you were once in their shoes. Where exactly do you think these people are going to find jobs? In case you forgot, this town relies heavily on the income of these miners for economic support. Besides, it costs money to pick up and relocate too! If you can't be real then get off the comment page. "




SAD wrote on Jan 9, 2009 9:18 PM:

" EX SAFFORD RESIDENT GET A LIFE YOU WERE ON THE COMPUTER WAY TO LONG TO HAVE A JOB AS YOU SAY YOU DO . WHAT FMI NEEDS TO DO IS GIVE THE PEOPLE A NOTICE WHO IS ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK INSTEAD OF SURPRISING THEM THE DAY IT HAPPENS SO THAT THEY CAN PREPARE FOR THIS HARD TIME. "




Worried wrote on Jan 9, 2009 9:18 PM:

" This is affecting many families including mine. I feel sorry for all the families that have to go through this and all the worry! Some people have gone through this more then once and thats what really bothers me! Some people chose to go back to this company after the strike to take care of their families and now they are in the same boat again! I will keep all the families in my thoughts and prayers! "




1st Layoff wrote on Jan 9, 2009 9:12 PM:

" My heart goes out to all of the families that will be affected by this layoff. My family was affected by the first layoff and it has been difficult. I hope you all have better luck with Freeport delivering on the severance and insurance than we have had! "




candc wrote on Jan 9, 2009 8:25 PM:

" Well i'm sorry for all of the people that are gonna get laid off this company is so cowardly they are overeacting to current copper prices as if the bottoms going to fall out altogether, all i know is if i get laid off i'll never work for this company again, im going back to school. "




shocked wrote on Jan 9, 2009 8:23 PM:

" to mexican: not all of us losing our jobs are scabs. some of us were the ones throwing rocks at the scabs. but we chose to stay here and make a life in this small town so that our children wouldnt grow up to be gang thugs, probably like yours. "




To Mexican wrote on Jan 9, 2009 8:22 PM:

" You are pretty imature, you have to be kidding me calling people scabs are you just stupid, I think so those people who crossed picket lines and got rid of the union where trying to support their families unlike you probably, while you borrowed money to drink your beer, these people supported their families, and as for a union all they are good for is keeping jobs for people who probably don't deserve it in the first place you are ignorant. "




Let us Pray wrote on Jan 9, 2009 7:52 PM:

" We need the Rev. Phillip Tutor to offer another Blessing and prayer for our community. "




joe the plumber wrote on Jan 9, 2009 7:39 PM:

" Farm boy has a valid point... Economic diversity that is not related to mining... He is right . It is not too late!
I do feel saddened though, for those who have been promised a great future by FMI and now suffer at their hands. "




to ex safford resident wrote on Jan 9, 2009 7:38 PM:

" The national economy is in trouble!!
There are no jobs out there. People have bought houses here, made a life here! I'm so glad you left the area with all your trash talk! I bet where you live isnt any better is it? Why don't you find others to pick on. Leave us alone!! "




sam wrote on Jan 9, 2009 7:23 PM:

" I HAVENT SO MUCH CRAP IN MY LIFE ABOUT LAY OFF AND WHAT ARE GOING TO DO NOW AND SO FORTH.SUCK IT UP PEOPLE AND MOVE ON! "




Hmm. wrote on Jan 9, 2009 7:14 PM:

" Y'know, the poverty mentality around here is astounding. Don't worry, King Obama and Mayor Green will save you! Wait, what? The mayor won't go to Washington to ask for help because it is a waste of taxpayer money? He must not have much faith in his ability to make things happen! That's right, he only tears things down and works to help himself... "




Randy Diffy wrote on Jan 9, 2009 7:11 PM:

" I seem to recall one Huey Long, the former City Manager in Safford exhorting the powers that be into trying to bring some other industries/businesses in here so we wouldn't be beholden to the mine cycles. Yet Ron "I'm the Mayor!" Green ran him out of town because it didn't jibe with his isolationism. The Karma is sweet as the mayor is the one losing that fat lease down town...eh Earl? "




Is this GREED or What wrote on Jan 9, 2009 6:53 PM:

" I have over the years heard from many that the hills up behind Safford has HUGE gold veins in it and also diamnds. Seems to me that if FMI was hurting as far as Copper Minnng goes why not mine the Gold. This is at an all time high .Diamonds would bring a good price Doing this would keep people in the valley employeed,. HUMMM maybe some of the power that be in this town should present this to them. Rather than let them wreck this town and the ecomomy. "




Agree with Farm boy wrote on Jan 9, 2009 6:46 PM:

" Would also like to add given the fact that the Board of Supervisors , County Manager and the Chamber of Commerce were so eager for this and now it is flopping big time maybe as one has suggestd they should do something to help out the people this directly affected. One way I can see if take half of each of ther salaries this year to help fund the food bank in the area "




Agree with Farm Bioy wrote on Jan 9, 2009 6:41 PM:

" People may be angry with FMI and rightfully so, but also the Board of Supervisors , County Manager Chamber of Commerce should face some of this of this rath. I fel for these people and tis has to be especially hard with unemployment so high. Another thing this has also done is not only casued unemployment but now many have home mortgages at for a home that has now lost value and look how many empty homes are in the valley, this is all do to this unpresidented 'growth" they were "touting". Big thanks to this bunch "




Agree with Farm Boy wrote on Jan 9, 2009 6:34 PM:

" People should have seen this coming. As one person said look at FMI track record. Our County Supervisors , County Manger and Chamber of Commerce should carry some of the blame. Rather than looking at other industries they were in this "love affair" with FMI. When if they were half as smart as the like to think they are they would have been looking at other industries to bring employment oppurtunies to the Valley. But they were so proud of themselves. Con"t "




mexican wrote on Jan 9, 2009 6:22 PM:

" Welcome to life pick up a shovel and move on quit crying nothing in life is secure taxes and death dont come to phx we have no work for you spoiled people all you scabs who broke the union will pay now you go scabes hug each other ha ha "




My Opinion wrote on Jan 9, 2009 6:05 PM:

" To ex resident: I agree with you 100%, as both my husband and I worked for Phelps Dodge for 15 years. We were tired of being threatened with layoffs everytime we turned around, so we decided to pick up our family and move, best decision we ever made! It's all about living within your means, never work at a job you can't afford to leave. I feel sorry for the people of Morenci. They get caught in the trap of owing their soul to the company store! They are in our prayers. "




PD Retiree wrote on Jan 9, 2009 6:01 PM:

" Worked in the mines for almost 40 years. Seems like everyone has forgotten the lost year in the mid 80's(PD shut down everthing in the US for 13 months), strikes, and layoffs that happened in the past. It isn't the first time this has happened and it won't be the last. To avoid that life stlye and anguish is why I made all my children get college degrees and say out of the mines. This will pass but it is not the first time and it won't be the last time. "




b wrote on Jan 9, 2009 5:53 PM:

" yeah im sure they are very sorry for running the mine to the ground. i hope they sell it to another company that knows what they are doing. they arent the ones that have to suffer. "




Safford resident wrote on Jan 9, 2009 5:51 PM:

" It is amazing how people can change with the wind. I didn't hear anyone complain when 6,000-9,000 dollar bonuses were being handed out earlier last year or when everyone got 500 dollar gas cards or the quarterly bonuses were given out. Now the world market has changed and Freeport is trying to weather the storm as best as they can. I pray for the families that the layoffs will affect, but mining copper is a cyclical business and this will not be the last time people lose their jobs up there. "




JUSTAGIRL wrote on Jan 9, 2009 5:24 PM:

" TO EX SAFFORD RESIDENT: DONT COME TO THIS BOARD THINKING YOUR GOD ALMIGHTY! EVERYONE THAT WORKED FOR FREEPORT HAS BILLS/FAMILY. JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK YOURE SMARTER CAUSE YOU GOT "OUT" DOESNT MAKE YOU ANY BETTER THAN THE NXT JOE SCHMO.

GROW UP AND PULL THAT STICK OUTTA YOUR........... "




Amazing wrote on Jan 9, 2009 5:10 PM:

" I find it scary that a huge company comes swooping into town with all kinds of "promises" only to discover thy aren't like PD who weathered down times along with their employees and citizens, by planing ahead in all areas. I wonder if their CEO's made the millions Freeports do. It would be fair for them to share instead of putting 100's in the bread lines. Shame on you Freeport! Maybe you should have left that huge gold vein open you ordered covered up. "




Farm Boy wrote on Jan 9, 2009 5:08 PM:

" Who remembers when the root of this community was Agriculture?
Ide hate to be the one to say.... "I told you so". While everyone else in the community was jumping on board and signing EPA petitions in favor of the safford mine. I was one of the few dissenters.
I was paying attention to what others were suggesting... Bio Tech and Cutting edge Agriculture that would allow the Gila Valley to flourish as a hub for Pharmaceutical development instead of being a one industry community.
Its not too late... "




Ex Safford resident wrote on Jan 9, 2009 4:49 PM:

" To Really
actually it is extremely entertaining to read the Courier. I do it almost daily just to read the comments!
I will not move back to that horrible town. So no, I won't be buying a house there. I left the last time this happened and started over like a responsible adult who had bills to pay and a family to feed. Really quit crying and move where the work is or learn how to SAVE!! "




EYESWIDEOPEN wrote on Jan 9, 2009 4:48 PM:

" Maybe Frank Hughes can save us when he's done fabricating stories. "




power engineer wrote on Jan 9, 2009 4:47 PM:

" Sorry to hear that the boom has burst in the copper cities.Thank God the pillagers and robbers are out (dubyas bunch numbers at least 8,ooo)and it is to bad that they will not be unemployed,(they will step into jobs with the outfits that have recieved the keys to the federal reserves bank vaults) The new pres's is committing big bucks for the deployment of clean energy. We can help here. We do csp and are coming to the gila valley with a new industry that will need a lot of employess. Are your community leaders ready for us? "




Really wrote on Jan 9, 2009 4:24 PM:

" To ex resident~ Of course we know whats going on in the world. Are you going to come to a town where there is no work and buy our homes so we can move on and start over? Without work all we can do is collect unemployement, which comes from your pay check! Glad to know our down fall is your entertainment "




FMI a POS wrote on Jan 9, 2009 4:20 PM:

" Forbes recently reported FMI's CEO in top 25 highest paid CEO.

Also, note that FMI has been repeatedly named one of the worst companies for human rights abuse, treating of employees and environmental disregard. Some of the top pension groups in Europe refuse to buy FMI stock despite their historically high returns. Take time to look into their record in Indonesia.

We should have expected this. FMI cares about nothing but paying for their exorbitant executive salaries and shareholders. They have a long history of raping the land and destroying the people. "




To FMI Employee wrote on Jan 9, 2009 4:14 PM:

" Not true! My husband as well as his co-workers were notified about this in meetings first thing this morning. The article in the paper was printed hours later. "




WoW wrote on Jan 9, 2009 4:10 PM:

" Have ANY of you ever heard of a savings account? The mine pays a good wage for that area and is notorious for lay off's. What you do is save all you can when times are good to get you through the tough times, really it is simple economic! Stop buying thing you can't afford on credit and put you money away for harder times! "




yeah wrote on Jan 9, 2009 4:07 PM:

" a few things. BHP, not bhm, is no better with layoffs than freeport. the acid trucks run regardless, and they do not use acid to get gold. Mercury is used. so forget your conspiracy theory. "




shocked wrote on Jan 9, 2009 4:00 PM:

" to ex safford resident- i guess you "big city folk" think you know it all. isnt it a shame that all these people are losing their jobs, and people like "ex safford resident" are kicking them while they are down. its people like you that deserve to be laid off! "




FMI Employee wrote on Jan 9, 2009 3:44 PM:

" It is pretty sad that my family read this artical before Freeport decided to communicate this with employees. We were told that PD would operate in the red and borrow money but Freeport is a cash company and refuses to get help when times are bad. But like all large companys little people are suffering so the CEOs can still recieve thier ten million a year salarys. "




deeply saddened wrote on Jan 9, 2009 3:42 PM:

" My heart is broken for the families this will affect. My sister-in-law was layed off in September and still can't find a job. She even went to DES yesterday and they said they had NO jobs open or available. Where are people supposed to go? What are they supposed to do? My thoughts and prayers to those who are suffering through this....be strong! "




miners wife wrote on Jan 9, 2009 3:39 PM:

" My heart is hurting right now. What are we going to do? We will not be able to pay the mortgage or car payments. We have 5 kids to feed! This can't be happening. This town will die! We all need to hang in there and help eachother througth this. Life will go on without the mine job but I'm not sure how.HELP! "




Ex Safford resident wrote on Jan 9, 2009 3:39 PM:

" AND what business do you know of that is not interested in making a profit? P.D. did the same thing as FMI and you people compliained then? who will you blame next, GOD? "




Ex Safford resident wrote on Jan 9, 2009 3:36 PM:

" You People in Safford are really amazing! You know what you do when you get laid off? You find another job! You don't whine about it. Grow up and move on. If you can't handle working in an industry that CLEARLY has a cycle of laying people off get out, get a new job and move on, really it's not that hard.
The entire United States is in economic crisis and you act like your the only one's getting laid off and being mis-treated.
Seriously GROW UP! "




So sorry wrote on Jan 9, 2009 3:22 PM:

" God Bless all those families that are affected.. "




Really wrote on Jan 9, 2009 3:06 PM:

" So if production is down why are there so many acid trucks running? Could it be cause they take the acid elsewhere to remove the gold from it and they dont need so many employees to do this? I was all for freeport but now I see the truth. I am so sorry to everyone who has and will lose their jobs~ Good luck in the future! "




concernedcitizen wrote on Jan 9, 2009 3:04 PM:

" With all the economic issues that lie ahead for this community, I certainly hope that our local government is considering trying to reach out and locate resources for the communities families who will be suffering. There has to be some ways they can help. Even if it is nothing more than trying to help the food banks stock up or something. This town is going to need help from the outside! "




really.... wrote on Jan 9, 2009 3:00 PM:

" I think you mean BHP?? I havent heard anything about that but then again im just a miner's wife. :) "




wrote on Jan 9, 2009 2:57 PM:

" Where's OUR bail out now? "




lillady wrote on Jan 9, 2009 2:57 PM:

" Were is everyone in morenci supposed to go? What are we supposed to do? thats 1/2 of this town? What about the schools and teachers, how are they going to "teach" with only 10-15 kid in a class?

This is going to be sad. God bless everyone!!! "




ohwow wrote on Jan 9, 2009 2:55 PM:

" My heart aches. My family is going to be hurting as well as others. I am keeping my faith high and my fingers crossed.

Good luck and god bless everyone in this time. "




anonymous wrote on Jan 9, 2009 2:39 PM:

" I am sorry for all the families of mine employees. I know you all face troubled times ahead and wish you all good luck and good fortune. May the good lord bring you all many blessings. "




frozen wrote on Jan 9, 2009 1:44 PM:

" I guess Safford is next on the list to close "




Retirees Wife wrote on Jan 9, 2009 1:41 PM:

" We've weathered strikes, layoffs and floods - we can weather this too. As the saying goes, this too shall pass. . . "




Harbinger wrote on Jan 9, 2009 1:38 PM:

" This just confirms what has been said in earlier comments . . . now the floodgates are opened, and the truth will be told. Freeport is in business to make a profit, and when they look ahead to what personnel they have to work with, they know that they must make changes in order to survive. The handwriting was on the wall but no one paid attention. To keep you job, you must go the extra mile all the time. Their training center stays open to train replacement personnel for when they are needed. "




Dirk Diggler wrote on Jan 9, 2009 1:37 PM:

" I remember when P.D. owned the plant, those were the good old days. "




Discouraged wrote on Jan 9, 2009 1:26 PM:

" That is really sad. They never should have sold to Freeport. "




Really wrote on Jan 9, 2009 1:09 PM:

" I hear rumors that the company BHM (not sure if thats correct) is trying to buy the mine from freeport. If freeport is in such bad shape why not sale? This would help thousands of people now out of work get back to making a living and supporting their families. Has anyone else heard about this? "