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Come on now wrote on Jul 26, 2009 4:33 PM:

" I agree 100% with Holy Crap!!! This is crazy. Stay out of peoples business! I find it incredible that anyone could be so ignorant as to write something that, well for one could be VERY offencive. Its none of your business. Try writing about something other than someones personal choices. Its the way things go. It does not matter if someone is married or not. Changing your last name WILL NOT make you a better mother, so back of the girls! "




Shaesca wrote on Jul 25, 2009 9:18 AM:

" To AHCCCS..."crazy that some women are engaging in irresponsible sexual activity"??? What the heck does that mean? Is the woman having irresponsible sex with herself? It has been my experience that it takes a man and a woman to have of sex that results in conception. Your statement makes no sense and why is it always the woman who is responsible for birth control? Men are also part of the equation. Why can't they be more responsible and make sure they are not making babies with every one night stand they have? "




AHCCCS wrote on Jul 24, 2009 7:27 PM:

" Just crazy also to think that some how that women who are engaging in irresponsible sexual activity will also have the foresight to thinking about the financial implications. Stop think a while about the world you
“think” you want to live in. "




AHCCCS wrote on Jul 24, 2009 7:26 PM:

" I wish I lived under the delusion that some how if ACCCS were not there that there would be less single marriages. Almost as delusional at thinking that we wouldn’t still have to pay for these hospitals costs if ACCCS didn’t exist. You think hospitals are going to refuse care for these mothers when they go into childbirth? It will just increase the cost of hospitals doing business and probably decrease the level of care for everyone if that were to happen. "




D.O. wrote on Jul 24, 2009 3:02 PM:

" Meth does not make people sexual. People have been having sex for as long as they have been around. Lack of education and abset parenting create high birthrates. "




my opinion wrote on Jul 23, 2009 11:56 AM:

" The fact that evey on is so sexual is the METH problem this make people very sexual. And make's them sleep with anyone for satisfaction. "




Holy Crap wrote on Jul 22, 2009 3:56 PM:

" Ok, so this article is so not anyone's business. It is a known fact that in the GIla Valley that there isn't anything to do but party, have sex or do drugs.... if they had places for teenagers to go that might makes things a lot different. But only in a small town paper will you hear about something liike unwed young mothers... come on now!! find something else to write about... get out of everyone's business.. "




Reality Check wrote on Jul 22, 2009 1:35 PM:

" To people that are offended by this article,

There are many people that are in loving relationships, starting a family and not married. But unfortunately, they are the exception and not the norm. The norm is a single mother that needs the government to provide financially to keep her "Family" afloat.

And it doesn't help that many of these same "Good" families are only staying unwed so that the mother can qualify as a single "Low Income" mother for financial help. 49% of single mother AHCCCS births proves this point. "




Reality Check wrote on Jul 22, 2009 1:30 PM:

" To Good Grief, Ignorance, and Offended

Why people are getting in to other's business is that the choice to start an out of wedlock family is many times a financial burden on the taxpayers

AHCCCS is intended to be temporary but 49% of all births were to single mothers on AHCCCS. The need for AHCCCS to deliver them is a sign of financial irresponsibility. AHCCCS isn't a right, it's a charity intended to help the needy. It's not intended to sustain the perpetually poor. "




Offended wrote on Jul 22, 2009 11:08 AM:

" I am very offended by this article. Just because some people have kids out of wedlock does not mean that the kids will grow up disadvantaged. I know some who probably have a higher education than the person who wrote this and have committed to their education and finances and providing a good life for thier child....and the expenses of a ring and marriage are not their priority but the love and values are there just as much if not more than someone who got married just to prevent having a kid out of wedlock! Very Disrespectful Eldon! "




Ingorance wrote on Jul 22, 2009 10:01 AM:

" This article written by a very ignorant man was very hard to read. I read it in discust and pity. Traditional family? Everyone hates people who aren't like them. Please define "traditional family" and then tell me, in my constitution, that I do not have the pursuit of happiness to attain any healthy family I can possibly achieve. Why are a lot of people so ignorant in this area? I'd hate to burst the bubble he's living in, but WELCOME TO 2009. It's a slap in the face to struggling single mothers and single fathers trying to make it through. "




Good Grief People wrote on Jul 22, 2009 9:08 AM:

" Is this really anybodys business?!! Everyone needs to learn how to live their own life and stay out of other peoples. and keep your opinions to yourself. If you dont have anything nice to say then just keep your mouth shut!! Are you guys really that perfect?! You all need to get a clue!! You are all acting like you are perfect poeple on the earth. who the heck are you to judge?!!!!!!!!!!! "




The Ladies Man wrote on Jul 21, 2009 1:32 PM:

" It can't always be about personal gratification. After all you are creating a life. I feel very fortunate to have been raised by the same parents that conceived me. Let’s stimulate the economy by paying our own way and being responsible with our money and our you know what gentlemen. No food stamps and welfare for me. If you need help, get it. When you get on your feet get off of it and go on. Since this topic involves the family I will say this: Maybe if we had strong families to help out when needed, our society wouldn’t "




Dr. Luv wrote on Jul 21, 2009 1:17 PM:

" Sexual desires can be difficult to control. Self discipline and self control sure wouldn’t hurt anyone. The major problem in society as a whole and not just on this subject mater is people not wanting to take responsibility for there actions. It’s not always the schools fault. I attended a middle school where sex education was taught, and guess what? Not the answer. Morals are what need to be taught, at home. Some of these incidents will still happen, but it sure wouldn’t hurt. "




Moved from Safford wrote on Jul 21, 2009 11:17 AM:

" I think a child born to parents who love each other (married or not) is fine. The problem is the unwed mothers who get pregnant at a very young age that have not been eduated. Bring sex-ed into your schools. Bring in planned parenthood. Teach your children about birth control and their options. This is the real world! Getting married because you can't wait any more for sex is wrong. Get married (or not) for love but teach these kids about life!!!!! Geez! "




Gus wrote on Jul 20, 2009 11:25 AM:

" 1) If you want Mr. Angle to "stay out of your business", get off of AHCCCS, so he's not paying for your business. I'm sure he would wholeheartedly agree to this arrangement.
2) Nobody's saying all single parents do a horrible job, but statistics (and logic) say it's tougher to provide a child with all the "necessary" tools when you're in that situation.
3) Learn some responsibility, and stop blaming everything on the government. The government should not be your nanny.
4) The LDS church is not forcing you to do anything. Grow up, you babies! "




Now hear this wrote on Jul 19, 2009 8:59 PM:

" Hey its all good! The economy is in a downfall. There's no more money. This problem with accchs handing out cash to people trying to make us tax payers pay for their kids shall soon be over....Isnt that terrible for all of you single mothers arguing theres nothing wrong with your ability pop out multitudes of kids for more income. "




MOTHER OF MANY wrote on Jul 19, 2009 4:06 PM:

" SO GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF YOU, NEVER GIVE UP... AND TRY TO ALWAYS REMEMBER WE CAN FAIL OR SUCCEED IT'S UP TO YOU!:) "




MOTHER OF MANY wrote on Jul 19, 2009 4:04 PM:

" THE THIRD WAS MARRIED AND HAD A BABY, THE RELATIONSHIP WAS BAD BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE WAS TAUGHT KEPT TRYING TO MAKE IT WORK. SHE COULD HAVE BEEN HURT REALLY BAD IF SHE DIDN'T LEAVE THE SITUATION. SO REALLY WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE. IT'S A SAD FACT THAT THE WORLD IS CHANGING. FORCED MARRIAGE ISN'T ALWAYS THE ANSWER. SINGLE PARENT HAVE IT HARD AND MY HEART GOES TO THEM . BUT TO PUT THEM IN A CATAGORY AND JUDGING THEM IS WRONG. THEY CAN SUCCEED IT'S JUST ALITTLE HARDER SOME TIMES,BUTCANBEDONE. "




MOTHER OF MANY wrote on Jul 19, 2009 4:01 PM:

" i AM A MOTHER OF SEVERAL CHILDREN THAT HAD WHILE BEING MARRIED. i HAD THREE DAUGHTERS THAT HAVE HAD CHILDREN. MIND YOU ALL WERE RAISED IN A LOVING RELIGOUS HOME WITH ALL OF THE SUPORT OF FAMILY AND FRIENDS. THEY WERE INVOLVED IN MANY ACTIVITIES TO KEEP THEM BUSY AND OUT OF TROUBLE. I HAD TWO GET PREG WHILE IN THERE TEENS, ONE MARRIED AND THEY ARE SUCCEEDING VERY WELL IN LIFE, YES THEY FELL BUT PICKED UP AND WENT ON. ONE GOT PREGNANT AGAIN AND I HAVE HAD TO STEP IN AND HELP.THE "




marriedmother wrote on Jul 19, 2009 8:58 AM:

" I'm happily married mother of three and AHCCS paid for all the births of my kids. Just because your on AHCCS doesn't mean your not married. "




Shaesca wrote on Jul 18, 2009 12:13 PM:

" It is NOT the responsibility of the school, church or Walmart to teach our children about sex and responsibility. In this day and age sex at a young age is almost a certain. Make the condom available to your son/daughter at home. Teach them responsibility of having a child before you are ready. Teach them that having sex before they are emotionally mature enough can be traumatizing. Teach them that scraping by with no money and just food stamps is no way to live with a child. PARENTS=RESPONSIBILITY no matter how embarrassing the lesson may be. "




Nit Picker wrote on Jul 17, 2009 2:25 PM:

" To Reality Check
It's burden, not "burdone". "




Reality Check wrote on Jul 17, 2009 1:10 PM:

" To Whatever,

"I WAS A YOUNG TEEN MOM SINCE I WAS 12 AND MY DAUGHTER IS A SMART GIRL"

I am glad your daughter is a smart girl, but you claimed you didn't get help from no one. At 12 years old? What job did you get at 12 years old? Or did your parents shoulder the burdone? You DEPEND on your parents to take care of your kid and then claim you got NO HELP. To me, it sound like you are still an ungrateful kid. "




Reality Check wrote on Jul 17, 2009 1:01 PM:

" To Legalwise,
"a child born to a single parent via tax dollars doesn't equal disadvantage"

More often than not, an AHCCCS kid born to a single mother is disadvantaged. And they are a burdone to the taxpayers. Choosing to have unprotected sex when you can't take care of a child is a bad choice. And raising a kid to "Do as I say, not as I do." is a losing battle. It's not impossible, but stats show that many single parents fail at changing the cycle. "




Reality Check wrote on Jul 17, 2009 11:48 AM:

" To Monica,

Solutions:

Parent Accountability. How about make it embarrassing to have to lower yourself to accept state aid? It should be embarrassing to get AHCCCS and Food Stamps because you have FAILED as a parent. But it isn't.

Food Stamps are on a "Bank Card" now instead of the embarrassing paper slips used like cash.

Set Restrictions and enforce them. You don't fix your situation, you get your kid taken away and adopted out to a financially secure couple that wants to adopt. "




Reality Check wrote on Jul 17, 2009 11:33 AM:

" To Monica,

The education is not aimed to teach how disadvantaged a kid is when born to a young mother. And all examples to kids, be it from tv ("16 & Pregnant" on MTV) or from peers getting WIC and AHCCCS. Is not showing teen pregnancy in a negative light. Those programs you claim are supposed to be temporary, they are not. They are PRIMARY means of income and support. And single mothers on Welfare are giving birth to future single mothers on welfare. "




oooh La La wrote on Jul 17, 2009 9:12 AM:

" Reading these comments is quite entertaining. My personal opinion, I completely agree with this article. Some of you are taking offense because you had children at a young age/un-wed BUT like some are saying, as did the article, it DOESN’T HAPPEN TO EVERYONE, just most. From personal experience, even looking at some of MY family members, it happens to be true. I have cousins who got knocked up in HS and their poor kids are w/o fathers, I personally see them heading to a life of destruction. "




LegalWise wrote on Jul 17, 2009 6:22 AM:

" To Reality Check, take a deep breath, do some real research and while doing so, really take the time to read something before you copy/paste it. I can see you are on some kind of crusade to prove something but that doesn't change the facts which are that a child born to a single parent via tax dollars doesn't equal disadvantage. You are blinding yourself with statistics. Homeless doesn't equal poor. Big house doesn't equal rich. 2 parents don't equal advantage. You are only looking at the surface, you see nothing beneath it. Very sad. "




ouch wrote on Jul 16, 2009 6:53 PM:

" Temple wed undoubtedly..... "




ohhhhhhh. wrote on Jul 16, 2009 6:43 PM:

" I got a better one.

DOUG GRANT

Born to loving morman parents.

Peach of a guy this one....... "




WHATEVER wrote on Jul 16, 2009 3:27 PM:

" EVERYONE HAS WAY TO MUCH TIME ON THERE HANDS I WAS A YOUNG TEEN MOM SINCE I WAS 12 AND MY DAUGHTER IS A SMART GIRL SHES A HAPPY GIRL AND A A+ STUDENT AND WE DONT GET HELP FROM NO ONE I WORK A GOOD JOB SO DONT SAY IT ALL DOWN HILL FROM THERE AND ITS JUST US AND WE ARE HAPPY IM A VERY GOOD MOTHER
SO DONT JUDGE TO QUICK !!!!! "




Monica wrote on Jul 16, 2009 9:56 AM:

" To Reality Check:
A. The education IS NOT there, i grew up in the Gila Valley area. Abstaining was taught even as we had a senior preggo fr an inmate! B. President Roosevelt intended welfare as a temporary means to help people back on their feet. C. The shame in abadoning a child is NOT there (again, LACK OF EDUCATION & MORALS). Instead of FLAMING every comment, how about an actual solution. Your comments come off as RUDE & inciteful. If ur not part of the solution ur part of the problem "




Reality Check wrote on Jul 16, 2009 12:06 AM:

" To Okay For Real,
"Start teaching, stop scaring and lying to the kids and make comdoms available."

You say this as if Condoms are under lock and key in a bank vault. Anyone can by them at Wal-Mart.

The state programs make a teen mother have $0.00 financial burdone to have a kid. There are "alternative" schools in Phoenix that cater to teen mothers so they can have flexible school schedules. Nevermind the added "Attention" that the expecting teen mother gets from her peers.

The "fear" is not there. "




OkAY FOR REAL wrote on Jul 15, 2009 10:59 PM:

" To say the kids here have nothing to do is bull Shiii*! Go to Round Mountain Nevada and then you will see what nothing to do really is! All the religious crap from the mormons to the the catholics is the reson for your children not protecting themselves. Start teaching, stop scaring and lying to the kids and make comdoms available. Hope they make a good choice and hope that if they make the choice they have the resourses to be safe. Cause daddys little girl doesn't belive in birthcontrol but GOD will for give the sex, RIGHT! "




Reality Check wrote on Jul 15, 2009 1:28 PM:

" To "uugh",

How about some born to Single Mothers
Saddam Hussein
Born to a single mother, raised by his uncle.

Stanely "Tookie" Williams III
Born to a 17yo Single mother
Founded the Crips Gang
Executed for 4 murders.

Stanley "Little Tookie" Williams IV
Convicted of 2nd Degree murder.

David Koresh (Waco Texas Cult)
Born to a 14yo Single mother.
Killed in a standoff with ATF and FBI.

David Berkowitz (Son of Sam)
Born to Single Mother Betty Broder who gave him up for adoption.

That list goes on and on too "




Reality Check wrote on Jul 15, 2009 12:48 PM:

" To the following.

Exception to the Rule,
Toni DeBruler-Mata,
Secure and Single,
And others

Your situations are Exceptions. 49% of all births in the local hospital were to single mothers and paid for by the state instead of by private health insurance or their own money.

You have done it, and good for you. But you are the exception to the rule. I'm sorry if Reality shows your situation in a bad light, but the typical single parent can't make it on their own. The state is the financial provider. "




EX Gila Valley resident wrote on Jul 15, 2009 2:06 AM:

" There's no point in arguing with these people. Their ignorance will not change. Keep living in your bubbles and the rest of us will go on in The Real World happily. "




ughh wrote on Jul 15, 2009 2:00 AM:

" Lets look at some people born to married people: Scott Peterson, Adolf Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer. Ahhh there's too many to count I'm tired. "




Read this song and ya Im talking to YOU wrote on Jul 15, 2009 1:27 AM:

" Go out find the lyrics to NOFX's song called "You're Wrong" then you'll really love me! "




So dumb wrote on Jul 15, 2009 1:23 AM:

" Wow Elder hm hm hm excuse me I mean Eldon. You've sure got people going huh! "




You people are idiots wrote on Jul 15, 2009 1:21 AM:

" simply put. Continue to go to your churches & force your kids who get in the same situations to get married & pretend it makes it better. People have kids w/ out being married. It happens. If you pressure people to get married or even choose to get married JUST BECAUSE you have a kid then you're stuck in two situations you can't get away from. "




Outside Looking In wrote on Jul 14, 2009 8:09 PM:

" I TOTALLY agree with "Moved from Saffor" I lived in Safford most of my life leaving to the "City" when my son was and moved starting JR High. He has now graduated High School, 17 in a class of 400, has a scholarship to a major university, does not drink or do drugs (know for a fact) and has healthy social life. Over half the kids he was friends with in Safford are druggies,dropouts and teenage parents. Until now I never thought Id be thankful I left. "




ba ma mamma wrote on Jul 14, 2009 7:48 PM:

" Good o' Obama will fix all of these problems "




just the facts maam wrote on Jul 14, 2009 5:48 PM:

" Well Mr. Angle, I dont know about you but I have noticed an alarming rate of people who think they know everthing because they study "statistics" tell everyone else what their doing wrong. I studied statistics and I read that 90% percent of statistics are WRONG! that is very alarming! Also I guess we have your generation and the one before that to blame for this issue. You act as if single parents just appeared to spite you. I say its a cause and effect. unhappy married couple = single parent child. "




secure and single wrote on Jul 14, 2009 5:13 PM:

" Get out of prehistoric times! I have a twelve year old daughter who is the joy of my life. She is a balanced young lady who is fun and smart....so smart she almost aced her AIMS tests. I've always taken care of her emotionally and financially. Had I stayed with her father, she would not have turned out so great....he made both of us feel terrible. Mind your own business about what is right and wrong! "




Stephanie wrote on Jul 14, 2009 5:08 PM:

" "Toni DeBruler-Mata" Catch up with the times? People are also constantly robbing people and aborting babies...does that mean it's right? Just because there isn't a law against something it doesn't mean it isn't morally wrong. Why didn't you get married and then have the child? People have a warped sense of what's right and wrong based on "what everyone else is doing" and are trying to stay "caught up with the times". Read the Bible. It's that simple. "




Toni DeBruler-Mata wrote on Jul 14, 2009 3:23 PM:

" This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard! It's 2009! I had my daughter in 2006 & wasn't married. Her father & I were together 5 years prior to that & are still together now. We did get married in 2007 but it made no differance in the type of father & mother we were. You do not have to married to be good parents. Safford is so warped. Just because a child is born w/ a different last name doesn't mean the father's not involved. Catch up w/ the times man : ) "




Exception to the Rule wrote on Jul 14, 2009 10:10 AM:

" I have a child out of wedlock and I think it is unfair to lump us all into this category. I am in a loving relationship of 7 years and we have a wonderful life and our child will have everything they need regardless of the fact that we do not have a marriage license. We are also not on AHCCCS. Our private insurance covered the birth. Don't be so quick to judge. "




Upset at shirkers wrote on Jul 13, 2009 3:11 PM:

" Lame guys are not going to go out and buy the milk when they have the cow at home. Women, stop putting out for these losers until you get a wedding ring, that will solve being born out of wedlock. And to all those who dupe the system by living with each other but not being married so you can still collect government freebies, you people are a disgrace to the human race. Why should honest people like myself have to work hard to support your lame families. Have some pride man. Where is the self sufficiency? "




Daphni wrote on Jul 13, 2009 12:07 PM:

" #1 I feel ripped off when I find out there #2 Now that it's OK to have a child out of wedlock as opposed to the older times when the children would have been referred to as bastards, how can you guarantee it won't go back to that?
#3 If you both die, how can the child claim legal estate rights?
So what if divorce occurs. You can't guarantee anything in life, but you can make good decisions or go ahead, be thoughtless and selfish. "




Reality Check wrote on Jul 13, 2009 1:58 AM:

" To WhoCares

You are the example of the "Give Me" lifestyle. No sense of responsibility, or pride in your accomplishments, and no idea how to teach those values and morals to their kids.

How do you teach a kid to work hard for what you want in life when you only work hard enough to not get kicked off the current tier of AHCCCS? How do you teach responsibility when Mom lies to the case worker about the roomate that pays half the bills in the house? "




Reality Check wrote on Jul 13, 2009 1:49 AM:

" To "So..."

I am all for having things like AHCCCS and Welfare programs, but I want those programs to go to people that didn't put themselves in their own mess.

A divorce and deadbeat dad, abusive husband, laid off and need it until you get a new job. These are all scenarios that I am more than willing to Help.

But the norm is getting pregnant first then worrying about paying for it second. And the child repeats that irresponsible behavior. "




Out of Wedlock Birth Recipe wrote on Jul 12, 2009 8:50 PM:

" Recipe 1) Quit school, it's boring and not cool. 2) Get pregnant, or get someone pregnant so you can get some welfare 3) Work is boring and requires too much effort, so it important to stay on welfare don't report the child support you get to state of AZ. 4) Have more kids. 5) Raising kids is too much trouble, so ignore them,and go to the bars to meet someone to" help" take care of you while your kids are ignored and running the streets. 5) Have more kids to get more welfare. 6) Your kids growup to repeat 1-6 "




I agree with Reality Check wrote on Jul 12, 2009 8:44 PM:

" Reality Check succinctly surmised the problem of out of wedlock births. My wife and I are parents to six daugters. (We aren't Catholic or Mormon, nor are we wealthy in the monetary sense).We care for all of our children, and we do so without welfare or the other "programs" out there. There are too many "parents" who have children as a source of income. These children end up negelected and they often growup to live the same lifestyle as their "parent(s)", or worse they become criminals, like Kyle and his friends, who broke into SHS. "




Jena wrote on Jul 12, 2009 11:11 AM:

" Thats the problem with that place. They pay them to have kids, so they dont have to work for what they get. The state & tax papers are paying. If the state would STOP giving them food stamps & money, make them work like a REAL PARENT. No jobs? I know for a fact McDonalds, Sonic, Burger King is always hiring if you want to live in that town........ "




Laura wrote on Jul 11, 2009 2:14 PM:

" I totally agree and have been concerned for a long time. I would wonder how many of these are generational welfare babies. "




WhoCares wrote on Jul 11, 2009 10:16 AM:

" Even if you can afford healthcare and your job offers it...who's to say that you'll be able to use your benefits...Maybe it's just cheaper not to get married...at least then you qualify to receive benefits that your regular health insurance won't cover in the first place! "




so..... wrote on Jul 10, 2009 8:27 PM:

" to be honest reality check i really dont like it either anymore than i like seein a pregnant 15 year old runnin around walmart but sometimes you need to take care of your family and you try and try and try but you find that you really have no other option at that point in your life. hopefully the economy will turn around and our family will be blessed with more opportunity. "




so... wrote on Jul 10, 2009 8:17 PM:

" reality check.....wish i was had all the answers just like you do. or so you think. i dont blame anyone for causing any problem in my life. i dont know what planet your from but jobs these days with benifits for a family are pretty much non existant or very very expensive. if i have to work the system to make sure my family is cared for i will on your tax dollar. i could really care less about all the banter your constantly posting. alot of us dont get married by design. TO GET HEALTH INSURANCE. "




Reality Check wrote on Jul 10, 2009 3:29 PM:

" "Until our society educates our young people more this trend will continue"

Do you really think that kids who get pregnant did not know what condoms are? They aren't going out and having sex without any idea of what can happen by doing it.

What their education has taught them is that Welfare exists. That AHCCCS exists. That the WIC program exists. That DES Daycare exists.

HELLO. If you can't affod healthcare because your job doesn't offer it. DON'T HAVE A KID!!!!! "




Monica wrote on Jul 10, 2009 1:49 PM:

" Until our society educates our young people more this trend will continue. I am also a single parent and I did collect benefits for a short time after the divorce.

5 years later @ the same company, i have full benefits and i do not receive child support. We've lived this long w/out that support and we're just fine.

Life is not easy and that is something that is not recognized in this day & age.

Values, Respect& Ideals should be touted by the media, instead of the overtly sexual TV shows & the like. "




Reality Check wrote on Jul 10, 2009 11:27 AM:

" To "OK"

Why is it that you choose to accept a job with no medical benefits, and then blame your employer for "Causing" you to be on AHCCCS and forcing you to lie about "Household Income" so your "Single Mother" girlfriend can claim to have little or no income and qualify for state health insurance. How is that your employer's fault. Who took the job knowing you have no medical benefits? "




ok. wrote on Jul 9, 2009 11:01 PM:

" tell my LDS employer to get health insurance for his employees at church on sunday and ill marry my girlfriend whom id love to marry and get my child off ahcccs. Quit tryin to push your so called values off on others if your part of the problem. "




Real answer to seths question wrote on Jul 9, 2009 3:46 PM:

" "Birth control is not readily available in Graham County" what are you talking about. they are called condoms; use them why does it have to be the womans responsbility they sell them at wal mart, safeways, thriftys, wal greens, some gas stations and truck stop bathrooms, cheeper then birth control. if you cant afford those items noone should be dating you to begin with. "




Reality Check wrote on Jul 9, 2009 1:28 AM:

" To Legalwise
"...come to the conclusion that unwed mothers are bearing non-productive children that are a burden, then you are indeed in a fantasy world."

Look at the jails. Look at incarcereation rates. Look at repeat offenders for property crimes. There are alot less kids stealing cars that are above that poverty line than below.

And when your parent works 2 jobs but never has enough money to go to the movies, sometimes kids are willing to seek the "Quick Buck" that crime provides. Face it, it is a disadvantage. "




Reality Check wrote on Jul 9, 2009 1:18 AM:

" To Legalwise

Nobody said poverty or AHCCCS equates to bad kids. It just makes an already tough job even harder.

It's hard to teach a kid to value hard work when you can't afford a toy for doing a good job. Instead you have to depend on hugs and praise and hope that when they see friends at school with a new iPod, they still get the message. Add in the fact that a single working parent is trying to give this praise while juggling multiple jobs. You start with a disadvantage. "




Reality Check wrote on Jul 9, 2009 1:09 AM:

" To Legalwise

Research Info.

2008 Federal Poverty Level (FPL) $10,400 Year (one person)

AHCCCS requires no more than 100% of the FPL (less than $866.67 month).

If you get 32 hours a week and make $7.50 an hour, you do not qualify.

Sure, people will cheat the system by living together (unwed) and claiming the mother has no income. But they had to LIE on the application about household income. Willingness to lie to get free government handouts isn't exactly examples of good parenting.

Numbers from HHS.gov and HRSA.gov "




boo... wrote on Jul 8, 2009 11:38 PM:

" Plenty of people get married after their baby is born and stay married. No one has the right to judge anyone...Some people need to get over themselves. "




unknown wrote on Jul 8, 2009 6:22 PM:

" First of all, you all need a spelling lesson, or at least learn to use spell check. Safford Unified School District taught me nothing, except how to have a child out of wed lock. "




Answer to Seths question. wrote on Jul 8, 2009 4:57 PM:

" BAD PARENTING!!
LOUSY EDUCATION!! "




To Narrow your attack wrote on Jul 8, 2009 4:36 PM:

" He did narrow his attack, read before you speak. He said "Last year, of the 665 births at Mount Graham Regional Medical Center, 326 (49 percent) were out-of-wedlock births paid for by AHCCCS." so lets break that down for you; 49 percent was paid by ahcccs if you paid for it yourself or insurance did then you fall into the 51% that he is not talking about you. and you did have your child out of wed lock so you do fit into the out of wed lock catogory. "




Greenlee County resident wrote on Jul 8, 2009 10:42 AM:

" I think Mr. Angle is right in some aspect. I was a single mother out of wedlock myself, and it was no pick knick but I did it. But what is there to do for these kids? The only thing they look forward to is the next party there is nothing to do between Duncan and Morenci maybe someone in the Communities there should be more to do for these kids. "




LegalWise wrote on Jul 8, 2009 5:40 AM:

" Oh C'mon Mr. "Reality Check", you should get a little reality slap yourself. ACCCCHS babies doesn't automatically equate to poverty & poverty doesn't equate to crime. Take some time out to research these statistics & find out the 5 W's. Healthcare costs are astronomical. This County doesn't have a good, solid planned parenthood center. Mr. Angle has painted these statistics in broad strokes. Everyone should be asking the question...why? To take these #'s & come to the conclusion that unwed mothers are bearing non-productive children that are a burden, then you are indeed in a fantasy world. "




WOW wrote on Jul 7, 2009 8:18 PM:

" WOW! I am floored that someone finally called this situation to light. I grew up in the area and sex-ed was NOT discussed. I am a Mormon and did not know the facts of life until I was 17. Granted I did not loose anything until College. But this has been an on going issued there in the area since I can remember. When I was a sophmore at THS in the mid 90's there were atleast 10 girls pregnant one of them in 8th grade. This problem must be delt with and sex ed become apart of the school. "




Seth wrote on Jul 7, 2009 3:15 PM:

" Why does Graham County have such a high unmarried pregnancy rate? Thanks to both the Catholic and Mormon influence there really is no sex-ed in any of the schools in Graham County. The nearest Planned Parenthood clinic is in Globe. Birth control is not readily available in Graham County. Abstinence before marriage works in theory but hormones kick in and folks are going to do what they are going to do. Without birth control they will more likely end up with a permanent souvenir of the occasion that the taxpayer invariably ends up paying for. "




narrow your attack wrote on Jul 7, 2009 2:35 PM:

" My fiance and I had our daughter out of wedlock and she is living in a home nicer than most in this town. We have good careers and pay for our own insurance. I can't believe you would attack all unwed couples. They are just as good as married couples. Who is to say that all out of wedlock parents and children are on ahcccs and are criminals. STUPID "




To marc wrote on Jul 7, 2009 1:09 PM:

" You obviously are either so scary looking no will marry you or your one of the local loser bar trollers. More than likely both. The world would be much better off with you locked away in your bathroom with your magazines! "




HAHA wrote on Jul 7, 2009 1:08 PM:

" Really...The guy voiced his opinion in the Courier. You all have the capability to do the same. Be upset about the facts and statistics all you want, but if you dont like the truth try changing the future. For all you unmarried women with kids born outta wed-lock who are angry that this was written let me ask you this: Why did you not marry? Did the plan of getting knocked up and trapping him backfire in your face? "




To RU-486 wrote on Jul 7, 2009 1:03 PM:

" You make me sick. All my children are loved and yes their fathers all pay child support. I work and am on AHCCCS but that is only because in this world a mother can’t afford to make it alone with five kids. Don’t judge….. "




RU-486 what wrote on Jul 7, 2009 12:54 PM:

" I’m sure your name was a crafty little advertisement for the morning after pill. However the condoms are a cheaper way to go and for a bible thumping community the local wal mart provides them free in the form of Robin Hood bags. Another crafty little title don’t you think? As for the abortion clinic…most of these are wanted even if just for the pay check. They have to be worth something….right? "




Reality Check wrote on Jul 7, 2009 12:06 PM:

" Here is the significance of these stats.

Crime is centered around poverty. There is no denying it. It isn't a racial thing like some people try to say. it is poverty. The poorer you are, the more likely you are to chose a life of crime. A person with empty pockets is more likely to steal a soda than a person with $20 in their pocket.

Now explain how 49% of all births born to unwed mothers on AHCCCS isn't starting out with a disadvantage. "




Reality Check wrote on Jul 7, 2009 11:45 AM:

" I'm sorry if statistics do not show a positive view of the future for your child. You may be a great parent and raise your kid the right way and your kid grows up to be a very productive citizen. But chances are that looking at statistics, children born to unwed mothers are more likely to be a burdone to society.

No matter if the mother lives with her boyfriend, or by herself, when 49% of all births are to unwed mothers and paid by AHCCCS, it isn't a good thing. "




What if... wrote on Jul 7, 2009 11:10 AM:

" Eldon Angle is just a nosy old coot who pokes where it doesn't belong and just likes to stir trouble? I'm just saying that is more likely the story. He probably cares little about the subject that he so miserably wrote and numbers quoted. Just an old busybody that should keep his judgmental thoughts to himself. "




LegalWise wrote on Jul 7, 2009 5:44 AM:

" The figures that Mr Angle uses are only telling part of the story. Even though these are out of wedlock births on paper, it doesn't specifically mean that these out of wedlock children are in single parent homes. To get accurate figures of these children being in single family homes, you would have to go door to door. There are alot of women on AHCCCS that are living with boyfriends are exes & have chosen not to be married at the time of birth or not at all. Therefore, the info is non-applicable to = single parents. "




The Truth wrote on Jul 6, 2009 10:06 PM:

" I really took offence to that statement that she wrote. Im sorry but I was a child that was born out of wedlock and I am doing very well. I also have a child out of wedlock, and my son is doing very well in school with A's and B's. He is in sports and making something of himslf. Who is a person to judge, to me is a person whos is unhappy with themselves.I am married and have two other children that are doing as well as my first. I think it is just the way you raise them. "




whatever wrote on Jul 6, 2009 1:35 AM:

" So are you saying that my first child because I did not marry her dad is going to drop out or end up in jail. Come on what days are you living in. You dont know why the parent weren't married. I may have not married her dad but I had two more kids and I married their father. The first one is not always the catch and how do you know that the ones on Ahcccs are not tax payers also you can be on Ahcccs and still work and pay taxes. Dont judge. "




oh geez... wrote on Jul 6, 2009 1:31 AM:

" It's pretty funny people are barely noticing this. My JR/SR years of high school graham county had the highest pregnancy rate in the state. I dot hink anyone is going to try to change anything about it now as that was 16 years ago and nothing has changed. I hate to break it to you but the best thing to do is get out of there! Nothing to do in the small town but fight about politics and gripe about your neighbor! "




I agree with RU486 wrote on Jul 5, 2009 7:54 PM:

" I agree w/RU486. There should be birthcontrol pill for men. There are women out there that target men to "fund" there pathetic lifestyles. These woman sit at home all week collecting welfare ignoring their "entitlement kids" and hit the bars on the weekends trolling for men. These women are looking for the next Mr Right to come along and "take care of them. " Taking care of them = childsupport and more welfare for the child not that she wants, or for that matter he wanted, but for the check that will come everymonth in the mail. "




RU-486 for men wrote on Jul 5, 2009 11:51 AM:

" Also with all the unwed kids being born it is amazing an abortion clinic hasn’t moved into the area. They could clean house here and some doctor should see the dollar signs awaiting them here and set up shop. Don’t be afraid of the mormon, catholic and other bible thumpers here. They will come in the back door! "




RU-486 for men wrote on Jul 5, 2009 11:50 AM:

" Guys, practice safer sex until this pill is developed. Condoms don’t always work so practice safe sex. There are many different ways to have sex without even the slightest chance of getting the girl pregnant.:-) "




RU-486 for men wrote on Jul 5, 2009 11:49 AM:

" We have the pill for women but don’t have a pill for men. This is a must for these guys whom are prayed upon by women, whom want a baby because they think they can get the guy to marry them or they think it would be fun to dress it up. Let’s face it, the morning after pill was a great invention but it has to be taken by a willing female. All too often these females don’t take their meds to keep them sane, let alone keep them from getting pregnant. "




RU-486 for men wrote on Jul 5, 2009 11:47 AM:

" Unfortunately there are not enough birth control measures being taken. People are human and have carnal instincts. This is a simple fact going back to the beginning of time. Irregardless of whether or not you think that was when God made Adam and eve or a big bang or if we all came from monkeys. These carnal instincts are what made sure the human race survived and now thrives to the point of over population. "




LDS Man wrote on Jul 2, 2009 7:59 PM:

" Well said "Single Mother". I most wholeheartedly agree. "




Single mother wrote on Jul 2, 2009 3:59 PM:

" As a single mother who had two children out of wedlock I know that it is easy to be offended by statements indicating that my children are more likely to live in poverty, more likely to go to prison, etc. I can also take a step back and agree that the ideal situation is for children to be born to two people married, in a happy and healthy relationship, who are financially secure. Those of us singlehandlely raising happy, healthy children w/o government assistance are the exception. It is definitely a social concern. "




Morenci Boy wrote on Jul 2, 2009 11:18 AM:

" I have never posted a comment here, but due to the extreme feelings that this subject has dredged up I felt moved to post. Follow this link,

cnn.com/2009/LIVING/07/02/sears.family.divorce/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

to access what I feel is a very insightful article about divorce, unwed parents and the diminishing value of fatherhood in the United States. "




traditional family wrote on Jul 2, 2009 10:53 AM:

" Who is to say that an unwed couple is any different than a "traditional family"? What do we do different when raising our children. We are raising our kids just the same as if there were a signed license. This is article attacking the wrong people. "




stupid wrote on Jul 2, 2009 10:51 AM:

" I can't believe you would attack unwed couples. They can raise a child just as well as married couples. Maybe you should have looked at only the births that were just to mothers and with no father. "




this is stupid wrote on Jul 1, 2009 1:01 PM:

" What about all of the unwed couples who are just like the married couples. I was unwed when I had my daughter. Her father and I are still together, have a nice home, and make good money. How can you even compare all unwed mothers. There are plenty of married couples that live on welfare. What about them? My child will grow up to be just as happy as any. You really should have narrowed your attack! "




Moved from Safford wrote on Jun 30, 2009 12:28 PM:

" As a person who lived in Safford for many years, and moved away to a community where there is great programs for kids, I look back and realize there is nothing geared towards kids or teens available in these counties so they all end up going to the booneys to party or fool around. God forbid the community offer any education. Abstenance doesn't always work! How about adding some programs. Looking back, about 50% of my sons friends are now either on drugs or pregnant. Thank God we got out in time! "




This is stupid wrote on Jun 28, 2009 11:16 PM:

" This is stupid, have you seen the divorce rates rise because people are getting married because they HAVE TOO! Thats stupid "




blah blah blah wrote on Jun 27, 2009 2:05 PM:

" I will throw in my .02 I was first mad at the letter but it is true to some extent. The whole reason why everyone says that these kids born out of wedlock are trouble makers and what not is because when some child comes from a family like this and decides to act up his first excuse for doing what he did is because he is a poor little child who had no father or blah blah blah. Thats no excuse. Good kids come from unmarried families too. And welfare is sweet too! "




addisondewitt wrote on Jun 25, 2009 5:27 PM:

" What happened to being with someone out of love? I'm not sure government or society should have an interest in who's married and who isn't. "




real problem wrote on Jun 25, 2009 11:04 AM:

" A major part of this issue is the way the governement encourages fragmented families. Benefits are paid to single parents on a scale not nearly comperable to those paid to an intact family. Food stamps, AHCCCS, cash assistance all would be reduced if the rules were the same regardless of marital status- marriage or simply both parents in the residence, or even if they would simply demand legal documentation of seperation before dispensing our tax dollars to 'single parents'. It's no secret that cases of fraud are abundant. "




Happily married father of two wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:23 AM:

" To Confused, No I don't think a divorce screws a child up more than never knowing who their dad is. It certainly depends on the parents. You can have untraditional parents who choose not to get married but act like they are by being together and raising a family together, but I don't think that is what the author means necessarily by being born out of wedlock. I think he's talking more about the hardships placed upon a single parent family whether it be a single dad or the more prevalent single mother. Their kids are at a disadvantage. "




Happily married father of two wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:19 AM:

" It's not unwed mothers like Stephanie that bother me. It's the unwed welfare moms that have four kids from four different daddies, none of whom are around. And I don't only blame the women either, the loser men that go around impregnating women and then leave before the baby is born are just as bad if not worse. In my way of thinking, you take care of your responsibilities. Sounds like Stephanie is following the same way of thinking. Life isn't always black and white, but there is no excuse for the deadbeat dads out there. "




Stephanie wrote on Jun 23, 2009 9:11 PM:

" I am a unwed mother and i dont think its fair to judge me. I worked 2 jobs in high school and graduated. I am now a college graduate. I pay taxes just like the married couples and my son is rasied with both parents. We work everyday to support our child, But we are put down because we are not married! How can anyone say my son will be any of those things without knowing him! Start judging yourselves not others. "




To Fed_Up wrote on Jun 23, 2009 10:57 AM:

" How many unwed births that were recorded here in Graham/Greenlee Counties were conceived without having sex? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say ZERO. "




Think wrote on Jun 22, 2009 7:05 PM:

" It is sad when you point out facts that are fairly clear and are met with an emotional response about the topic and the author assumes your thoughts and feelings about the topic while they are at it. If you don't believe the statistics and your chances of doing well as a young unwed single parent; I say have at it. I don't feel that I should have to foot the bill for those of you who expect the rest of us to pay your way so you can act foolishly. "




confused wrote on Jun 22, 2009 2:51 PM:

" doesnt divorce screw up a kid more than being born out of wedlock. most teens these days think only of who their going to date, or how skimpy they can dress and get away with it. or if i have a baby it will be so fun to dress it up "




to think wrote on Jun 22, 2009 2:45 PM:

" dont you have better things to do than look up statistics, and i bet you think all children born out of wedlock are hispanic, and african american. people like you are a joke, you look for things to complain about. i don't look down on anyone cause we are all equal , you should do the same. I DOUBT YOU CAN DO THAT! "




sundevil wrote on Jun 22, 2009 1:45 PM:

" It's very simple. Young women get PAID by the state for having kids. Why get an education and a JOB, when you can sit on your couch, eat cheetos and watch Opera. It's sad when a single parent (mother) who had a kid when she was in her teens, is now a grandmother to her unwed teenage daughter's child. And it goes on and on and on. The worst part of it is that these women don't think there is anything wrong with this! THAT is the sad part of all this. "




Think wrote on Jun 22, 2009 10:51 AM:

" It is too bad that people cannot wrap their minds around the simple facts. Statistically speaking, children born out of wedlock are more likely to not have the things which they need to be the productive citizens of our country that they could be. If you doubt this fact, do your own web search and find the statistics that controvert these facts. I doubt that you can do it. "




happy wrote on Jun 21, 2009 10:28 PM:

" my two children were born out of wedlock and they are both very healthy
i work full time and so does my bf we have a healthy fam so all you people dont assume the worst of us women who choose not to get married b4 we have kids. thats our choice "




Crusty wrote on Jun 20, 2009 9:27 PM:

" For those who think marriage is the ONLY way and are religious zealots.......who married moses and his wife? Who married Jesus' parents? Get the picture??? "




OMG wrote on Jun 20, 2009 5:00 PM:

" Ok seriously! We all need to worry about our selves here and our own families. This is where people are going wrong now. Instead of putting our noses up at people who do not choose the same lifestyle we do we need to work on instilling the right morals into our own families. You know a lot of these single parents come from families who have a mother and a father. Where did they go wrong? We need to concentrate on our own families. Improvements happen 10% at a time! "




Shaesca wrote on Jun 20, 2009 12:21 PM:

" So, Mr. Eldon Angle, what exactly do you see as a solution to this problem. Besides being "concerned" about your tax dollars and those of future generations, you give no ideas of how to help the pandemic. I would wager that you strongly oppose abortion and a woman's right to choose her own destiny. You will sit in your ivory tower and judge a woman, but wouldn't bend down to pick one up if she fell helpless at your feet. Your kind make me irritated. "




LegalWise wrote on Jun 20, 2009 9:30 AM:

" Melissa Price, I 2nd that statementt. Your mother's name wouldn't happen to be Doreen would it? "




guilty consciecne wrote on Jun 19, 2009 2:27 PM:

" every one offended by this needs to realize there are exceptions to every rule . if youare a child of a single parent and turned out fine, good for you! you beat the odds. but on average people are worst off with out a married parents to raise them. i say married because ON AVERAGE people who are married stay toghether longer than those who are not. even if you were from a single parent home chances are you would be better off you had both together. there are exeptions to the rules. quit arguing with statistics. cant win! "




To duh wrote on Jun 19, 2009 10:57 AM:

" And another thing it's not anybodys bussiness to comment on how others live and the mistakes they might have made, there is only one who gets to judge us for the way we live our lives and its not any of us on this earth!!!! "




To DUH wrote on Jun 19, 2009 10:55 AM:

" Actually believe it or not quite a few people get married in high school, I should know Iam one of them, and I knew a few other people that got married their senior year as well. I graduated just the same as everyone else, Thanksgiving break we went on our honeymoon, and graduation day I was 2 months pregnant with our son, it's not imossible to get married and start a family in high school, it just takes work, just like any other succesfull marriage!!! "




Duhh wrote on Jun 19, 2009 8:27 AM:

" To Dee, Dee, Dee,

Uh, I don't know of many high school kids that are married. So wouldn't that make their children be born out of wedlock. Duhh! "




Dee wrote on Jun 19, 2009 8:13 AM:

" I dont think that its out of wedlock children that we necesarrily have to worry about. I worry about the ammount of children in high school having children. "




Too quick to judge once again wrote on Jun 18, 2009 9:26 PM:

" Not every women and man that are unmarried an have children are uneducated how rude of AMEN to say such a thing. There are wealthy,educated and responsible people that have children and they may not be married and that is THEIR CHOICE...just a bunch of crap if you ask me ... "




Too Quick to judge wrote on Jun 18, 2009 9:21 PM:

" I dont think that being born to unmarried parents makes you destined for a poor future or a criminal lifestyle. Those are just statistics speaking....coming from a broken family my vaules on how to raise a child and how I want my family are stonger because of that. I will push the best for my child. You dont have to be married to have a stong family bond I think that people are just too quick to judge one another. people have there own beliefs if they dont want ti be married then oh well their choice "




married wrote on Jun 18, 2009 8:54 PM:

" OMG. This rhetoric is unbelievable. Most of those posting need to research elig requirements before spouting off. Amen..where do u get the idea that a single parent is uneducated & unemployable & the child is doomed to poverty? Having worked in the system I have seen a number of "traditional" families using the system.Some people work & r still elig for those benefits. They pay into the system just like u!! Being a single parent or an unwed parental team does not mean they r doomed. "




Single mom wrote on Jun 18, 2009 4:24 PM:

" Maybe the alarming rate of illigitimate children has to do with the fact that in these two counties there is no aggressive birth control campains!! Laws and values need to be changed in order to create a change for or children!! "




It goes both ways wrote on Jun 18, 2009 2:17 PM:

" Im a married mother with one child, however we did not get married until our son was 4 years old. My parents are still together (unlike any frined from high school) and yet they never married. You dont have to share a last name in order to have strong family values and teaching those to your children makes the difference, not some piece of paper "




Dirty Laundry wrote on Jun 18, 2009 12:59 PM:

" Same old Gila Valley mentality...Kick 'em when their up...Kick 'em when their down.... "




sick and tired wrote on Jun 18, 2009 11:55 AM:

" So what do the divorce rates show and the studies on that of how the children are after their parents are divorced? I wouldn;t think much better than that for children out of wedlock. I wonder what this editor's background was like and if he has ever asked for help. Somebody always has to find something negative to bring people down only because they are unhappy themselves or nothing else to do on their time. How about a letter on what we can do to help on this matter. We don't all read the book of mormon. "




impressed wrote on Jun 18, 2009 10:50 AM:

" Melissa, that's impressive. however, don't you think that it's better to stay on a road to success rather than to "turn your life around?" If you would have used a little better judgment, things might have been a little easier. There's a lot to say about a kid turning you life around. It just makes the rest of us tired to go to the store and see some young "unmarried" couple paying for their food with foodstamps, getting education grants, free daycare for their kids, and all the other garbage, only because they couldn't keep their pantszipped. "




amazed wrote on Jun 18, 2009 10:44 AM:

" finance of a single mom, what a funny term. definition. I get the milk, and don't have to buy the cow. I only act like I'll buy the cow. Once a younger cow comes along, milk might be sweeter. An ounce of control by these ladies in the heat of the moment, would have saved us all a lot of money. Check out the local crime report and see how many of these men who are in trouble came from one parent family. proof's in the pudding. "




Melissa Price wrote on Jun 18, 2009 9:56 AM:

" I know plenty of ppl in Safford that are married & shouldve never had 1 kid let alone the 5 they have. They live off the system without either parent getting a job. I was an single mother at 18, went on to get my nursing license, now live in Mesa with my husband and 2 more kids. Having kids out of wedlock doesn't mean anything it is the way your were raised. My son saved me from a life of destruction. I wouldve NEVER gone to school or turned my life around. "




marc wrote on Jun 18, 2009 9:18 AM:

" isnt marriage over-rated ... there is a new paradigm shift where people dont see the point. many now choose to be happy and not married than miserable and married. "




wow wrote on Jun 18, 2009 9:11 AM:

" the only reason these single moms stay out of wedlock is so they can get more welfare money per kid "the more kids you have the more money you get" "




Thank You wrote on Jun 18, 2009 8:56 AM:

" Thank you for sharing your opinion, I personally agree with your assessment. One reason for the "out of wedlock births" is that a person can be, oh let's say covered by Freeport have four kids who are also covered by FMI and also qualify for AHCCCS because the father and mother are not married.
Therefore it is a financial incentive to not be wed. As a personal opinion, to the unwed, a marriage license represents responsibility and commitment. Thus if it their cohabitation is "stinky", they can walk away at anytime. Fear of commitment isn't that what it's all about. "




Get a Job wrote on Jun 18, 2009 6:54 AM:

" Everyone is missing the point. Being not married you get AHCCCS to have children.So y not have more kids AhCCCS will pay for them. It seems to be the Attitude. Theres alot of good single mothers. But there more of them that r not. "




John wrote on Jun 18, 2009 5:54 AM:

" For those of you who are together forever but just not married. This article really wasn't about you so quit defending the real issue. Thank you for raising your children together and providing for all of their financial needs. The article addresses the financial strain that illegitimacy has on the rest of us and how bad it sucks to be a kid who is not raised til 18 by his/her biological mother and father together. So, illegitimacy happens, but don't be proud of it and definitely don't defend it. It's really not good. "




John wrote on Jun 18, 2009 5:46 AM:

" There is nothing wrong with feeling guilt and humility. You should. It's normal and healthy. The problem is the defensiveness and anger with hearing the truth. Illegitimacy has been around forever, but it is becoming more of the norm rather than the exception. I am not a bible thumper or Mormon (for all you Mormophobics) but I know the facts and so do all of you defending illegitimacy. Every kid who is not raised by his/her bio mother and father starts this life at a disadvantage. Those are the facts. "




sick and tired wrote on Jun 17, 2009 11:34 PM:

" I can't believe this person would say this. Oh, wait I forgot this is Safford!!! Statistics may show certain facts but do you know the facts about every out of wedlock child out there or their parent? I didn't think so! I feel this is very targeting towards these individuals and wrong because these children are the future. I personally have children out of wedlock and am with their father still and we are a very traditional family. I love my family and we are very happy!!! Spend your time researching something that is more positive and useful. Hmmmm "




amen wrote on Jun 17, 2009 8:13 PM:

" There is no better way to guarantee a life of poverty for a child than for him to be born out of wedlock to an uneducated, unemployable mother and an unemployed and irresponsible father. This society is doomed if this trend toward irresponsibility is allowed to continue. "




Check the Facts wrote on Jun 17, 2009 7:48 PM:

" Mr. Angle didn't insult single mothers, the statistics did. Does that meat that every out of wedlock baby is destined for prison? No. But the facts (statistics) definately support his assertions. There are stories of those who come from a single parent home and are amazingly successful. It is a big story because, statistically, it is an exception to the rule. No disrespect to any single moms out there. You may be doing an amazing job. Letting young girls believe they can do just as good without a husband is a fairytale. "




out-of-wedlock wrote on Jun 17, 2009 4:16 PM:

" im was born out of wedlock my fiance was born out of wedlock and my son was born out of wedlock. my fiance has a good job and is supporting us just fine. and u dont have to be married to have a happy family. "




Dave wrote on Jun 17, 2009 3:34 PM:

" When did it cost only $5,000 to have a baby? Maybe 20 years ago. My last baby cost $20,000. FED_UP is right you don't have to have a father or sex in order to have a baby. Just ask that girl in California that had octuplets via invitro and another 5 kids before that. The media spun that story and turned her into a heroine. No doubt those kids will be messed up. Kids need fathers (married to their mothers)! These other guys must be from broken homes. "




amen wrote on Jun 17, 2009 3:27 PM:

" There is no better way to guarantee a life of poverty for a child than for him to be born out of wedlock to an uneducated, unemployable mother and an unemployed and irresponsible father. This society is doomed if this trend toward irresponsibility is allowed to continue. "




Well said Eldon wrote on Jun 17, 2009 3:14 PM:

" I've lived in four different states and I've never come across an unmarried couple that had, what I would consider, a "traditional" family. Somehow in the 90's it became OK to have an "ALTERNATIVE" lifesyle. Just because liberal society and the liberal media say its ok, doesn't mean that it is. Since when did they make the rules? I'm a Bible thumper but I don't think I'm better than anyone else. I don't think Eldon was trying to put himself on a pedestal either. He was merely pointing out a problem. "




FED_UP wrote on Jun 17, 2009 2:01 PM:

" Dont pay attention to a single word this person wrote. All they are is a bible thumping "family" activist that thinks there better than everyone. Mr Angle just insulted every single woman who has ever had a child. I believe there are ways to have children without even having sex. And I suppose Mr Angle believes that these women are an economic drain as well. Everyone doesnt have the same opinion as you Mr Angle and from your level of ignorance I think your mother had one child too many. "




AH wrote on Jun 17, 2009 11:29 AM:

" Please check your information. A few things you don't seem to acknowledge. First is that people can have "traditional families" without being married. Some people live and co-exist quite nicely without a marriage license. Second is that not every "out of wedlock" birth means someone goes on AHCCCS., or that tax payers pay for the child. And furthermore, there are plenty of people that are married w/children that have AHCCCS or some sort of state assistance. "